Behind the Shadows w/ Harvey Guillen
Behind the Shadows w/ Harvey Guillen

Season 4, Episode 路 4 months ago

The Grand Opening w/ Fred Armisen

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The doctor is in! But please don鈥檛 ask for any official certifications. The iconic Fred Armisen (@sordociego) joins us for another episode of Behind the Shadows. We discuss his new character, familiar Doctor Tom, and how he got his start in the entertainment industry.馃馃帶

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Welcome back to behind the shadows. I'm your host, Harvey Kiye, A K Guillermo de la Cruz. Today's guest as a friend of mine who is a talented musician and extraordinary comedian, Mr Fred armison. Well, ask the question what real life professionals inspired his take on a familiar and which breaking that star was crucial in starting his acting career today on behind the shadows. Then it's sowhelming heart. Bizarre has so tell me. Why would anyone want to be live deaf? My hair a reputation before she arrived. But Trust me, we have way more fun in the line. We have way more fun. Oh, I am so excited for my guest today for behind the shadows. It's the one, the only, Mr Fred armison. Hi, Hi, good, how are you? I'm good. Um, it's funny. As we were counting down to do this, you were laughing and I was laughing. I was just like smiling because I just I just, I don't know. I feel like we always have a good time together. We do have a good time together. I don't know. I just brought me back to like you know, people may not know this, but we actually met in the jungles of Colombia. That's right, you know, people don't know this, but my first mockumentary series, or introduction to it, was your show, was documentary now, and we shot an episode in Colombia. That was that was the first time I met you. That was for an episode called one like chicken and rice, and Um, it was. It's sort of a little bit like like a Guero jeames of so she kind of episode and Um, yeah, we did it way way up in the hills of Colombia and it was I mean, I had a great time and you were great and I had a great time. Yeah, that was my first time. Originally, that episode was supposed to shoot in Cuba. Yes, I remember that because I was super excited because I was so it was around the time that had just allowed people to visit, yes, Cuba, and I was just like, oh my gosh, I didn't get to go to Cuba, one of the first people to actually get allowed to go in there. And at the very last minute, remember was the week of or something, was like it's Colombia, we're going to Colombia, I think because like Obama was going to Cuba that week, exactly the same week, like he announced that going to go there. So there was like no way we could actually travel there in any sort of no easy way. So but I'm guessing glad though. I'm I'm glad that, Um, Columbia just I knew so little about it before, so I'm glad that we got to know it and we have to know a little bit and Um, I don't know, I was really I'm glad we did it there. Me Too, I actually really fell in love with Colombia and being my only time there and wanting to go back ever since. And that was probably one of the craziest rap parties like ever. It just ended up being this crazy night with my friend Dadianah. We went to that, what was it? And the steakhouse for a rap party. Yeah, yeah, and they had it was Tim Burton night, so they had people like at worsts her hands and whatever. It was crazy night. It was really, really fun. And then it was we had to leave the next day, so goodbye to Colombia. But that was then. And then finally, and then we got to work together again, I know, which I was so excited. So the episode that we just saw last night is basically when we get introduced to your character a new, familiar so why don't you tell us a little bit about this character you got to play? Well, it's kind of where he's kind of a sort of manager slash publicist, Um, and it's kind of like he's she's, you know, he's trying to keep Um, like blood away from this. I guess I'll call him like an artist. He's like a sort of hip hop artist. Yeah, and you know, I think the way we tried to do it is to make the character that when I was doing not too much of a cliche, but more like a music business guy and, um, someone who like gives bad advice. He was not really the best manager, is not really, you know, looking out for the best interests of his artist. Um. But you know, I wanted to do the show for so long. Well, first of all, seeing you on the show felt like a victory. I was like, Hey, there's harvey. I was like so happy, you know, just and and also, not that you need me to say this, but like clearly casting already knew what they were doing, but I felt like, ah, this makes so much sense. It made...

...you so perfect for that. And over the years, Um, aside from loving the show, Um, I've always been such a huge fan of Matt Berry. So, Um, anything he does I just always wanted to be involved with. And Uh, we I've worked with him before and then I didn't got to that. Yeah, and also his show toast of London. So there was a season that was toast of Tinsel town that I got to be in with with him and I just loved the show so much and Um, I was like, Oh man, I hope someday I get to do it, and I just mentioned it to Kristin Shawl, who is a neighbor Um, and all of a sudden there was in Toronto getting to do the show. So I remember. Also, we got to hang out right we went to that museum, yeah, to Castaloma. We have a we have a picture of that here. We'll insert the picture right there. And it was kristen, you and I, her husband and Ruby and we all just got to hang out. So it was very, very, very very nice. I remember that. There it is, right there. That's all of us Castelloma. That castle is insane. It's amazing. Slash restaurant. It's it's really fun. But we got to hang out again after all the time and I know that you and Kristen are really really good friends and and also neighbors. We just had her on the show a previous episode and she was talking about you and how you guys are friends. So it's funny how everyone just like it's good energy, you know what I mean, like it's like people know good people and it doesn't surprise you, but it's also it's it's surprising, but it's not surprising, if that makes sense. So when, like Kristen says, like my friend Fred, who's amazing, it was like, I love, like it's like a connection, you know, to everyone who's just good energy, just kristen has such great energy and hypod energy. So I feel like that that that makes sense. Yeah, likewise, you know the fact that she works with all, you know, the cast and you it's weird. It's kind of something that I always hope for when I watch something I really like. I sometimes think, Oh, I hope they're all friends with each other or that they all also hang out, like I like. I don't know, I just like the idea of it. I Um, yeah, I've known kristen a long time. I was remembering that we when we went to that castle and hung out. We all went to dinner and Kristen has like, Um, a really good attitude about dessert. Oh yes, that is like the way that all people should think, because we all get in our own hands about dessert and and you know whether or not you should have it all. And she is so openly like what no, you ordered dessert and you eat the whole thing. Why not? And I still think about it. I still think, like I have to remind myself. I'm like, yeah, what's the point of life if you're not like eating a full dessert? I it's so funny you mentioned that because I just saw that video today, like probably twenty minutes before we started this, Um, because I was going down my library of like memories, because I was like, Oh, yeah, that day Casteloma, and I just saw that video of kristen getting really excited with the flames. Yeah, that's right. And and it was. So it was a show, but it was dessert. So it's rare to see dessert be a show. And so it was entertaining, it was it was visually stimulating, like it was just it was so nice. So that video, which will insert here, Um, is gonna it really kind of tells you the kind of like a person you get to hang out with, and you hang out kristen just they're so excited about the dessert and from there on, actually, I always say should I get? Why not, even if you know what I mean, like it's like the idea of like why not? It's the attitude, and so I'm glad that you said that because that's kind of the same idea that I had when I was having that experience with her. She's so great being on set. How how is that? Like, you know from all the other other amazing projects you work on, like how which, by the way, I'm such a fan of shows like Los Spookies, which people may not know this, but you speak Spanish. And Yeah, and a lot of people are always surprised. I think we're surprised sometimes to find out actors UM speak Spanish if they don't seem to be the traditional like Oh, I didn't even know you were Latinite, you know. Or Yeah, that's always a weird thing for me, and this is just purely this is gonna make no sense, but, like I always when people are surprised, I'm like, how are you surprised? Of course I speak Spanish, because sometimes like, but that's just you know, I just assume people know. And then also you can and you can argue this with me. I look in the mirror and I'm...

...like is it me or I totally look like I'm of Latin American descent? I'm just like I'm half Venezuelan and in my eyes I'm like, I feel like I look like it. When I look at my uncles and stuff, I'm like, Oh my God, I totally look like I'm from Venezuela anyway. But yeah, because that makes no that totally resonates with me as well, just because I get that too. I was on set the other day and one of the costume assistance who who was from Savor and we've been filming for like a month now, and I said something in Spanish and she says and I was like what, she goes Sila, and I was like see, Clara, when you was like of course I speak, and she goes, Oh, Oh, you know, you know, you know. I was like you don't imagine that I spoke. What it was like? No, because I don't know. I just didn't. I'm like been hanging out with her for, you know, a month and and to me, when I look in the mirror the same thing. I see my family, I see my you know, uh, where I come from, and I feel like I am, you know, I'm Latino Mexican descent and UH. And it's so funny to always have someone tell you like yeah, you speaks especially when, well, that's exactly what I mean, because I feel like don't you just feel it? Yeah, like I don't you just feel that, like you know when we're in the same room, like obviously you know, but like it's true, though, I feel like maybe we've been programmed to only assume someone speaks Spanish, when you know, by the way, that that the world or entertainment industry has seen US listening to someone speak Spanish, which is like chopped up English, you know, or chopped up, and it's like why does it happen? So I have to have some like thick accent for you to think that you know what I mean. It's always blows my mind the same. But I mean, I guess I met you already, like on the set of something where we were speaking Spanish, but I just feel like, you know, it's hard to tell. I was gonna say like if you started speaking Spanish to me as a stranger, I would not be surprised. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense, because then you sense like yeah, of course, yeah, you know, that's what I assume. I would assume that. And then it's funnier and shocking when it's from someone who is Spanish speaking and uh, you know who is like, you know, a cousin, if you will, you know what I mean, and it's like it's like, you know, it's it's like what it's like. So this is interesting to me and it always bobbles my mind and I've talked about, you know, being Mexican and Um and how proud I am where I come from, and it's still like, oh, it's used to me. That's that's the kind of ego part of it too, that I'm like. I'm also like, don't you know this already? But people, you know, they just they just have their own lives. They just have their own life exactly. It's that. What's that all? Yeah, don't you know this already about me, but being on set, I didn't need to jump off of the question. was like, you know, I'm star struck by the show, like I'm already like, I cannot believe that I got to be on it. Um, you know, I love everyone on the show and uh, I worked. I had worked with Natasha a little bit on toast of Tinseltown, but what incredible person, like, what a funny, funny person. So that was really fun. And then getting to work with Kristen was it was, of course great. Um, but I didn't have that many scenes with anybody else really like that kind of it was just, you know, a couple of days and but I still loved it. In the set looked so cool everything. Yeah, you guys are shooting in that silo kind of thing. That it was. It was was winter and it was definitely chilly in there and I remember freezing, but it was like it looks so cool and the aesthetic of that's where Richie Suck would obviously hold court, was perfect. He was great too. He was great. It was so great. So working on this set, how's it? Obviously, you see you're a friend of the show and working with Natasha and Kristen, who's been a friend of yours. How, because of that, do you think it was a different experience than some of the other sets that you've visited for a short period? Um, what's different is that, like it's such a like I don't mean to overuse this word, but it's such a cool show that everything around it seems cool. So even the fan right over, I was like no, I want this is everything is part of this cool you know, whatever franchise or whatever it is. You know, I love vampire stuff anyway. Um, and and that type of you know, everything that that show and then and also the movie, everything that it's...

...about, I'm already a fan of. So it really felt like, Um, I wasn't like, Oh, what is this? It was more like Oh man, thank you, you know, I can't believe I get to be here. Um, and then also there's like that thing of Um, you know, it being in Canada. I hope there's no spoilers, but like those crews, like you know, they do it so much that it's all very efficient. So they really have it dialed it down until like, you know where I'm supposed to be every day and like you know, it was that part I liked as well, not that that's always the most important thing, but it was very like, Oh, we've done this plenty. Yeah, it's like a well oiled machine, like it's just like perfectly like, you know, for someone who doesn't shoot in Canada like myself, before I got, you know, this show and moved to Toronto. Um, my mind was like, how does this work? How do you and what if it's cold and what? And it's like, oh no, we got you. It's like exactly. Yeah, like like the heaters they have. They're not like scrambling to find me a heater. There's one just the right height. They're like we should hear all the time. This is the one you put your hands on and this is the heater for you know, when you're standing in this corner, here's your coat. and to walk into set. YEA, all that. It's thought out because they've been doing it, you know, for a while now. Uh, and just the nicest like you know crew and it's just it's great. And with this character that, you know, we gets introduced with. I'M WHY IS WHY? Do you think he's also a doctor's Hisself, PhD given or yeah, definitely. I think it's like people, uh, just want to be experts in something. It's not enough to just be a manager or an agent or or whatever. There's always like people, I think, in general, like to be actually be. I am, you know, a doctor of this whatever this is you know, whatever it is that you're doing. Um, it's just like a type of self importance, I guess, or something, and also probably for Richie suck to like, you know, impress him, yeah, so that he knows he's in good hands. How did he maneuver that? I feel like, how did he start as a familiar, because familiar is pretty much just like an assistant and basically servant to your master. How did how did he climb this so or planned this like you know, trajectory into the position of power that he ends up being? And my guess is that, like some familiars are good at it. There, you know, there are different levels of being of finding your way to a position like that, and it seems like a long game kind of thing, like it probably took a while, but it's just like little bits and pieces. He just took little steps full word to like, you know, just as someone would sort of like try to be ordained to be a priest, you know, to to perform weddings, little, just little steps to all of a sudden like getting to that position. That's that's my guess. That's gonna be my my backstory in my head, but it's I mean he's very good at it. I think it's so funny that you hold a bag of blood from him where it's that's what vampires need to survive, but in the eyes that we see it through, it's like someone who might have a blood drinking problem, you know, or or some kind of like, Um, an overeater, or it's just like you're not hungry, you know. Yeah, it's a type of it's definitely a type of control and and just to you know, just to be important in his life. And it's what's weird. Is like in show business. Um, I think I don't mean this is a bad thing. I think agents and managers do, or publicists do, try to sort of present themselves as like Hey, I'm important in your life. Yeah, you know, and I'm irreplaceable. I'm irreplaceable. But I don't mean that as a disparaging thing about people who do that job. I understand it and it's great, but that's an element of it, you know, like hey, you need me, yeah, you can't, you can't function without me, like you know, which makes sense because you know, a lot of people become, you know, Co dependent on their team or their partner, whoever that is. You know, so it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. And one of the scenes that I really love in this episode was where you pitch your other, uh, group of artists, the trio, at a nightclub for Vampires, which the brand would just not go but you still your your your businessman. You know, this character is like I also have this other, you know, singing group which I have to open for Richie Suck and even even in the middle of the performance, the camera pans over to you and you're wearing sound proof headphones where you don't even listen to...

...the music, which I think is hilarious. Uh, that or he just might be sensitive to sound. I took it as that's funny, like this manager of this of this group, pitched them, sold them, got them a Gig and then when it came to performing, he's wearing sound yeah, I think it's a little bit of both. It's a little bit of like I'm not interested in, you know, in music at all, and also like maybe at some point he's like this is just too loud for me, even though it's jazz, but um no. I love that. I love that he was still trying to push can you imagine pushing a band not just by giving like a record to someone, but making everyone listen live. Oh, that is so bold. It's it's I loved it. It was it's a great episode. I'm so excited that we can finally talk about it, Um, because it's one of my favorite episodes. Was So bummed that we didn't have scenes together, but we got to hang out there to spend some time together on set. Like I think you're about to do another scene. I did. I was about to do my scene on the other side of the sound stage and I came to visit you, Um. That was kyle was directing Kyle's heat and he couldn't keep it together. I mean there's so much footage of you guys. That didn't make it to the episode, obviously, but that you guys got to improvise and I got to be there for Um and it was so funny. And then I would look over at Kyle and he had to cover his face from muffle his mouth while he's directing you guys, because he doesn't want to yell cut and does, but he's about to ruin the take because he's laughing so much at the scene. And that's when I know something's good. Do you ever feel when you're on set when like the boom guy or um or someone behind the camera or holding the camera start shaking because they themselves are laughing so hard? That's when you feel like, Oh, this is good, this is funny. You know, that's like always reassuring, also because there's nobody else in the room. All there is is the crew. So you're like, okay, maybe on some level this works somehow. So because you never know. So I kind of like it when that happens. And then, on top of that, like there's also like when I see it happening, I try not to lean into it too much, like I try not to like, Oh, I'm gonna keep making the guy holding the boom or the person holding the boom laugh. I don't want to, you know, I kind of want to like okay, that made somebody laugh, but let me let me Le Um step away from it a little bit so that, you know, like would people kill a joke and they just I don't know, I just don't want to do too much. I'm like, okay, I gotta Laugh, let me just Um backpedal a little bit so I'm not like Um wallowing in the the ego of it like yeah, you know, I'd rather just like let me, okay, I got my laugh. Let me just like let the scene end. Yeah, you know, yeah, you got that laugh. You don't need to like lean into it more, almost like egging it on, because then you're feeding it, like you said, you're feeding that like ego of like Oh, you like that, take a look at it. It's always a nice surprise when you weren't expecting it, because usually it's dead silence in the room and so when it is a nice surprise of Um, you know, someone laughing, it's a nice surprise. So you take it. It's a gift and you're like, Oh, this is gonna work. Keep going, you know, just keep going, just keep doing your thing. But I do, I do think it's good when the crew, who's been around, they've seen everything. They film, you know, nonstop. I would say the crew is the one that has like the best longevity in this business, because you'll always need like, you know, a camera person, a boom. You know. Actors are always like trying to get the next GIG and they've seen it all, the dramas and comedies and musicals and all that. So it's nice to hear somebody actually uh laugh at a joke that you're doing pretty similar too, like I'm just talking to someone. For the process of auditioning for like SNL, like no one it's they're going to be silent or like something that. Do you remember that experience like it was yesterday? You know, I am remember, you know, I did a couple auditions, one at Um UCB UH as a theater, like there was like a theater. They used it as like a sort of like okay, we're gonna have people come up and, you know, they had these auditions and then they brought me back to them. I wasn't in UCB. I'm just saying they used that was where they were having these um auditions. And then when I was finally at the studio Um, I was so you know, it's the studio of SNL, like where they have like the opening monologue. So I was so like blown away that I was even in that room that I couldn't I don't have a memory of like who was laughing and who wasn't. I was just like I remember seeing, you know, people out there like their silhouettes and stuff, and the one weird thing that happened was the stage manager...

...said, blah, blah, blah, slate your name, and I didn't understand if he said you don't have to slate your name or uh, go ahead and slate your name. But I didn't. In the opening of a audition, I can't go what I have to just so I just slated my is slated my name anyway. And Yeah, and I just went on with it. But I kind of like it's such a weird thing that I did, like it was characters. So I just went through it like a train. I didn't like there were no jokes to be like, Hey, here's my joke, where's the laugh? I was just I just kept talking and going through it and Um, but yeah, what a day. Exit and they said we told you not to slate your name. That's I was so in that moment I was like, of all things to happen, like I would love to have heard what he was like actually saying, but I was like, oh, that was important information. Do you remember some of your characters that you did or did you do person Oh yeah, I did. Um, I went out as Fericito, the Venezuelan drummer, and I did the audition as him auditioning. So that I didn't have to begin, you know, I could start out with like an in character. So I did him and he and then I did a self defense expert and then I did two impressions, Uh Sam Waterston from law and order and Vin diesel and I. and I remember, like for the audition, like when I was doing these characters, I think I was told to do three and three. I think it was like three characters, three impressions, but it was too long. I think two and two somehow worked out for me. That's nice he took that, because I think most actors of comedians would run with that and say can I do even more, you know, but that's smart to do two and too strong. And finished strong with like I feel really good about these two. I just felt right. I was like I'd rather not risk doing something poorly. I was like, I think I got these characters down. Let me just leave it at that. Have you always done characters? How did you get started? It was that there your first you know. I means I got started in music. I was in bands for a long time. I was a drummer in bands for, you know, all of the nineties. That's all I was doing, and then late nineties I started doing comedy just as characters. I would just do it on video and little by little I would do it on stage, you know, and there weren't really gonnay jokes. It was just me as someone just up there talking, and I would perform at Largo a lot here in Los Angeles. And then Bob Odenkirk used to perform at Largo from Mr Show and he saw me perform and he put me on a pilot of a sketch show he was doing for Fox. So the pilot never went. It was called next and that was like the opening into me being able to have like a video of me doing characters. All of a sudden I had a tape I could really use in full costume. So Um yeah, it was like an instant reel. And also it was like for Bob to put me on that show. I mean Bob Oden Kirk really made my career, like he really started it. He got he made made everything legitimate because I was just, you know, performing at Largo. So Um, just him signing me to do it made everything more official. That was like, because it was for Fox and I had to sign a contract and all that stuff. So like then I was able to like go into SNL with confidence and my manager at the time sent in the tape and then uh Marcy Klein was at SNL and and made Lauren Michael's watch the video and all of a sudden, you know, I was being flown in and because I was in bands my whole whatever adulthood, my whole twenties, um, everything seemed like icing on the cake. I wasn't like why, I better get SNL. I was like, Oh my God, they got me an airplane ticket. I when you were a drummer and you make you know if you're lucky to make a hundred dollars on anything. So to get a free airplane ticket, I was like, Saturday night live bought me a plane ticket. I was already Um, I already felt lucky. I was like, I can't believe it. And then and then I kept going. Then all of a sudden I auditioned and auditioned again and that year there was that's so I love stories like that. I love hearing you know...

...the origin of you know, you already a musician and going into it's a is it a different do you think? I mean you're an artist first. I guess you know, in foremost because you're very musical and you're obviously very funny. How do you think Um performing in those two different venues? Um Shapes you to be an overall performer in general, just because it's live in front of an audience with drums and you're performing music, but also live by yourself. Could also be very intimidating in front of an audience to do a set. You know, yeah, it ends up. I think over the years I've kind of like I think that it's that you know they're saying. I think it's really the same like when I was a drummer or when I was in a band. You just wanted to entertain that crowd for that night and it's like same thing with like doing stand up. You know, the length of a joke is like shorter, but still songs are kind of short too, like there's like a beginning, middle and end of a song. So I still am very much like when I do stand up, I do think of myself as a drummer or even when I'm doing sketches. I still have I spent so much time drumming that getting on a stage on a set, I still feel like that sort of preparation of like when, when I was a drummer, that kind of thing. So I used to think they were really different, but they're pretty much the same. Yeah, that makes sense. What does what does your family think of you when you wanted to be a drummer and go into uh to be a musician and performer? I know for me personally, it's coming from a Mexican household. It was like, why don't you be a lawyer? One should be a tactor. This is so funny. And this. Those were exactly the words I was going to say, except, yeah, except for being that I'm Venezuelan, which you know, I can't be mad at my mom about that. I mean it's just like, but it's so funny that those are the two occupations that they were obsessed with. So I was like, I'm gonna be a musician and for some reason they said doctor or lawyer, and I'm like those are very different. Which one? Which one? Which one? I'm like, why is it? Why are those two interchangeable? That's in they're so different. So that's why I couldn't really trust it. I'm like, you can't throw around occupations like doctor or lawyer. It's so weird. I wonder if that's like a Central American and South American thing, because I I also like I knew so few doctors and lawyers in my Venezuelan family. I'm like, where are they? Where are example? Yeah, yeah, where's example? I wonder if it's I think it's a you know, Latin Amer yeah, I would say that's probably because those seemed to be the pinnacle of success as a profession. But if I was always thinking, I was little. Wait, so if everyone goes out to be a lawyer and a doctor, then we just have a whole bunch of doctors and lawyers running around. You know. I was also like, I was like, do I seem like I'm interested in medicine? What part of me have I mentioned? You know, an organ have I mentioned medicine or law? Or Law? Let me know if for some reason, I guarantee you I probably didn't bring it up once. Even once was I like, you know, there's a law from the eight hundreds that you know, I had. At one point I started acting out lawyer scenes just because I thought that's what my mom meant. So I would do like I object, and that was literally like like she was looking at me like weird, like so my my beautiful mother, who Spanish speaking, would automatedly look at me like and it was just like that, and I was like I object and I like literally forming an argument with her about how we should go to Disneyland instead of staying home this weekend, and she was like she probably thought I was insane. I just looking back at my pornom like I was just I was taking her advice. She said she had a lawyer doctor, but I didn't know that's what she meant because I was acting like a lawyer because I would watch like reruns of like, you know, judge, Judy or something on TV where like I was like that's what it is, okay, so judge says this and a lawyer, okay, or whatever crime, you know drama was on TV. But yeah, I just remember being told you should be a doctor, a lawyer. So that's so funny that you said that in yeah, that's very similar. And where does she live now? She lives in the s Gabriel Valley, so it's not too are for me. I live in l a. So I just...

...saw her yesterday, but it's so funny. What do your parents think of your status? Now if you're being a successful, you know, Um artists. What do they think? They're elated. They're like really happy and surprised, not surprised like we, you know, just like because they're not entertainers. So they are more like where did this come from? Although I will say that my mom used to watch sn now she is the person who introduced me to s now. So when I was a kid, she would watch the you know, the cast of Chevy Chase and Gilda radner and so already, without her knowing, she was sort of like opening the door to like, you know what, that kind of comedy. So, Um, no, now my my mom is like blown away, you know, all the people that we used to watch, you know, Lorraine Newman and and Chevy chase, like she gets to meet so, no, they're there, and my dad too. My Dad is we have the same name, so he's, you know, to see that name and he's like, Oh my God. He's very like, I guess the word is proud. Yeah, and you're part of that legacy. You're part of that legacy now where she was watching that at one point on TV and her son is now part of that history and that legacy of s and L. Yeah, it's I you know, it's never lost on me every day. So, you know, every day I think the same thing. I'm like, I can't believe I used to watch that show and then I ended up on it and it's never lost on me and I started. I still watch it. I love it. I my my my dream is to one day hosted. It will happen. Yeah, okay, all right, it will happen, Harvey, it will happen. Okay, I'M gonna I'M gonna believe it in more I'm really projecting for it out there when the time is, because I love that show, I really do. In sketch, I mean I grew up watching like with my mom, like SA, which would have like sketches and whatnot, so similar, but in Spanish. And Uh and when I when I was introduced to s and L, like I remember just like my world just like what like. It's like people get to do this every week and it's different and these characters, Um, who just, you know, so iconic. Like I just remember watching like Molly Shannon and watching, you know, your season, like it's all all these iconic characters that like now look back and I get to meet people like you know, that's how I feel, that's how I feel, like I get to meet like the fact that I even got to work with you in Colombia. I was like besides myself. I was like, it's so funny, because what you're just saying about the people that you saw, I was like what I saw and I got to hang out. It's like that's you, like I got to hang with you in Colombia and now being friends with you and know this just like wow, like you never know where life's gonna take you, like you really don't know, just being open into any possibility and and that's that's that's it, right, like and it happens quickly, quickly, so quickly, like before you knew it, you're just you're doing that show and yeah, that's that's pretty it was not that long ago that we did the episode of Documentary Colombo, which still goes my mind. That was not that long ago and you know, here we are season four of this show, which, you know, just it's amazing and I think it's the coolest show in the world and we just got nominated for congratulations. Thank you, and it's it's so insane to think that, yeah, this is a show that started off as a short film by Tyke and Germaine and got into became a feature and then became a show. It's just the trajectory of it all. It's it's kind of amazing and wonderful. What would you say? You've played so many iconic characters. I'm partial to like a lot of the characters in Portlandia that I just love. So if you were to choose like a favorite character from each of the projects that you've been involved in, starting off with like SNL and then like Portland's and then S, you know, it changes every year. Like sometimes I have like an answer. I'm like, Oh, this is this, this was my favorite character. But like, as time goes, like I have like different memories. Like um represent something different to me. So when I feel like, Oh man, that was such a great time, I think about there was a sketch that we used to do with Bill Hayter as Vincent Price and I would play Um Liberaci, and something about it was just so like it really felt like I was on SNL. That felt very like, I don't know, the costume, I really love Liberaci. Something in there was...

...just like it felt like wow, this is so I feel like that was like, I don't know, one of my favorite things to do, Um, and for Portlandia. Yeah, I would say, Um, they're these goth characters that me and Carrie did. We called them the Weirdos and they're sort of monster, you know, not even they're just into goth stuff. They're like, you know, and I really love doing those characters and I think that it's the closest to my real personality, like when I when I was doing that character. That's the most Um, like me any of those characters were. So I would say those are my favorites. I love those characters. I love the episode, whether they're outside or going to an event that's out in the day time and there it's so you're so pasty white. Uh. It's just, yeah, I don't think it's so fun that you get to like do this for a living, like to play characters, or like you can look back at this like Rollo Dex of like Oh, that's right, this was from and Oh, this is a good one too. It's like looking at like clothes that you keep or sweaters. He's a sweater. You know. It's like a set of love and you're like, oh, I haven't worn that in years and it's one of my favorites and it's like you look back at it and it's like I should bring that back, I should. It's back and stuff, you know what I mean. Yeah, the thing that I see in those like if I look back at a photo or something, it's whoever I was with. So like the fun for me was like, Oh, I was with Carrie in this sketch or, you know, Maya Rudolph or whoever. You know. It's like when I see that or bill heater, the other person in the sketch, I'm like, Oh, we had a great time, we really laughed together. So that's usually the yeah, that's like the feeling I get of those memories. Is there any character that sometimes, you know, you start off the weekend us and now with some um scripts and sketches and they don't make it to the end. Is there a character that was ever introduced or that you might have thought of that you know, you may have thought, Oh, this would have been a fun one, but I never made it through that. Uh, that you wish it did. Yeah, one time me and Bill Hater and Kristen Wig um did a sketch. I mean ran it a bunch of times. It made it to dress rehearsal, which is these three Australians going on a trip, and it's these three Australians packing really Australian things like a boomerang and, you know whatever, a CD of midnight oil, and we were like all we did in the sketch was list what we're packing and it was so fun and I think everyone thought it was fun, except for the audience. The audience was like, that's okay, we know they I think we were enjoying it more than the audience was, but I think we might have ran it maybe three times, definitely twice, maybe three times, and then it never went to Aaron and the characters weren't deep or anything. It was just that we just did Australian accents packing Australian things. I would have loved to seeing that sketch. It's just you can bring something else, you know. Another show that I love is Los of Spookies, which is one of the very few shows on the earth that's anything to do with Latino and Goth Culture and Um, and you'd be surprised how many times people come up to me, like at different events or cons and they mentioned spookies. Then being Latino and say something like I love watching Guillemo and what we do in the shadows, because it's only one of two shows that I feel seen and it's it's that, what we do in the shadows with Yeo, and it's Los of spookies. And you'd be surprised how many times people say that in a sentence. And I just wanted you to know that there's a lot of people out there who really, really are thankful for the show that you you have created. Oh, I'm so happy to hear that. That's that's the best. That's that really makes me happy and I do feel like part of me. How did you come up with that idea? I just thought the first thing I thought was like I want to do something in Spanish, and then I thought I don't want it to be about the cuisine or like traditional dances or anything like that. I wanted it to be like there, you know, in Mexico, there's like a real love for like Goth music and for also for like the smiths and Morrissey, and I just thought, like where does that live? Like where? I don't know, I just love it, like there's something so fun about it. It's like everything that I love. So it just started there and then the idea just started coming...

...together. But I just that whole culture of like Goth Music and in Mexico. Me and my producing partner went to Mexico City just to kind of like scope it out, just to be like where, what is it like? and Um, it was just very alive there, like the Goth scene Um and gold is kind of like it's a big the genre is like a pretty I don't know. There are different versions of God. I know that the smiths aren't a goth band, but still, whatever that melancholy spookiness is, I loved that in Mexico City. I really felt it. I love it. Well, people are very happy that you found it. That's really nice and I'm also glad that like to hear that about what we do in the shadows and then your connection to it. I love that. I love that that like they tell you about it. You know, yeah, it's it's it surprised me the first time the first time I heard it. I didn't put that together because you know, when you do a project you're not thinking necessarily like Oh, this is gonna be perfect for this and this reason and it's gonna represent this, uh, and just with with just being or creating this character of Guillermo, you know, letting him, you know, live and breathe in the show and do what he's doing. It's it blew my mind to think that how much that meant to someone who's watching. Who you know, when you were growing up, did you see a lot of yourself represented on television? Um, only in so? No, but like only in the movies, Um, or when I got to know, Um, when I got when I read about John Waters, the director, I felt like he was you know whatever, uh, well, you know, an artist, but who had like the spooky quality to him, you know, Um, just something like there's something about him. And then also, Um, this, the lead singer of TVO, Mark Mother's Bab like. It was mostly in music and film where where I saw people that I admired like that, um, but not as much in television. But John Waters, Um, David Byrne, a little bit like there was somewhere in there. That's who I started to identify with. Yeah, it's hard to to look at someone you can, you know, see yourself in mirror or uh, I fear, represented by so. It is nice to to hear when the characters that we're playing or your cream a show that's making someone feel seen. Ye, it means a lot. You know, it means a lot too. It meant a lot to me Um to to finally be playing a character that it's positive and not like a stereotype or you know. So it's it's nice to hear that because it does mean the world to someone and it's opening or leaving the door, ajar, to continue that progress and have something else to be created and giving the opportunity like yes, come on, create something that you feel proud of and and they could represent your culture, represent who you are and how you feel. So it is nice and it's you know, it's not lost on people that that something you created has brought so much joy and it makes him feel good. So I wanted you to know that. I know that's it's Um, it's like the reason to do it. You know what I mean? It's like it's kind of more than anything. What you're telling me is like, yeah, that's like the reason, that's the fun of it. But I was just thinking as you were telling me that, like the people who have told you that about you, some of those people are going to go on to also make great art. So someday, I do feel like someone's gonna go like Harvey. You answered my whatever and you to the message. Or you know, I met you once and you're so nice to me. Now I've got my own TV show or something like that. Like there is gonna be a day where you will have been that influence that got them going. I can't wait. That's that's like you said. That's gonna be worth it all. It's all worth it, you know. Um. But here we are on a show. Uh, that's God as representation, Um and all um sense of the word, and and your character is so fun. Last night's episode is one of my favorites, and we're asking everyone if your character had a drink at nausea's, the bar club, what would that drink be called and what would it consist of? Wow, um, it would be called Um, uh, the chuck, the Chuck, Mucha, and it's it would be a chocolate liquere with chocolate...

...milk, AH, chocolate chips and ice cubes. Oh, on the rocks, on the rocks, that sounds good, like a cold chocolate drink with some chocolate cure in it. Oh, that sounds really nice. It sounds like a nice dessert drink and something you can sit on as you're walking around the dance floor. Yeah, you know, or maybe chuck it down because it sounds so good. Yeah, because dance floors are like it's so hot in there. So I'm just like, chocolate icy drink is like, I don't know, it's like, yeah, both cozy and refreshing at the same time. Yeah, and someone would ask you because they would look at your cup and it's just chocolate and Brown and they're like, what are you drinking? Yeah, what what are you drinking? Choco, Muchocho, Choco and which. I'll talk to you again when the music goes down. What. Well, this has been so lovely. I thank you so much for for joining us and giving us your time on our show that we talk everything shadows and we talked to our favorite people about everything and anything. So thanks so much. Is there anything you want to tell? Are What we do in the shadows fans? Well, first of all, I am also what we do in the shadows fans, so I'm right there with everybody. And for Real, congratulations on Emmy nominations. And, Um, I know people must ask you all the time, but like, how do I ask you? Without asking you? I'm like, I'm assuming that you're gonna get to do more. They're going to be shooting some more. Yes, we got okay picked up for season five and six. Buddy, surprise, what a dream surprise. Yeah, that makes me so happy. Well, lucky us. Yeah, and hopefully we'll see some version of you in the future again in our show. I would love it. Yeah, all right, oh, thanks so much for joining us and we'll see you next time. See you next time. Behind the shadows it's a production of Straw hut media, hosted by Harvey Gean, produced by Ryan Tillotson, Amada Sanchez and Tyler Nielsen, original music by Trevor Bumgar and Chris Hendricks, vocals by Maggie Glass. If you don't already subscribe, wherever you're listening and make sure to follow behind the shadows podcast on instagram for more behind the scenes content, and tune in live every Thursday at one pm Pacific on the what we do in the shadows subreddit for an a m a with Harvey and special guests. So bizar has to tell me. Why would anyone want to be live des Mad hairy reputation before she arrived to trust me, we have way more fun on the afterline. We have way more fun on the after line. H see you next week.

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