Behind the Shadows w/ Harvey Guillen
Behind the Shadows w/ Harvey Guillen

Season 4, Episode · 3 months ago

Private School with Anthony Atamanuik & Sal Vulcano

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Welcome back to another episode of Behind the Shadows. I'm your host, Harvey Guillen, AKA Guillermo de la Cruz, the show where we talk to the cast and crew and celebrity friends, all things Shadows. Today's guest is our favorite next-door neighbor, Seany. It's Anthony Atamanuik. Also, a good old buddy of mine, Sal Vocona, joins us as he makes one last attempt to get his favorite gorgeous actor on his comedy show. Find out who that actor is today on Behind the Shadows.From Straw Hut Media

Straw hot media. Welcome back to another episode of behind the shadows. I'm your host, Harvegie and a K A GERMO La Cruz. The show we talked to the cast and crew and celebrity friends, all things shadows. Today's guest is our favorite next door neighbor, shinny. It's Anthony at Tominick and we find out what the Brois. Bro Drink at nauseas would be bro. Also a good old buddy of mine. South Volcano joins us as he makes one last attempt to get his favorite gorgeous actor on his comedy show. Find out who that actor is. Today I'm behind the shadows. Were even it's so overwhelming. Hot Bizzar has to tell me. Why would anyone want to be like deaf? My hair a reputation before she trust me. We have we have first up. Here's Anthony. I don't remember what the plot of this is at all. Welcome to the show, Shanny, our favorite heror Anthony. Welcome to behind the shadows, the show where we try to recall what that thing was that we shot and which what storyline was, and that, Um, you know, that's funny. That's not the first time that we've had this conversation because we people may not know this, but we cross shoot, uh, the episode. So that means that one day you've been on set when this happens, like in the morning we're shooting like, you know, three Oh six, and then by lunchtime we're we're shooting three O two. So we're going backwards and forwards and backwards. How do you like, how do you deal with that? Like how how's your thought process when you when you do a cross shooting episod? You know, uh, I think that that. I mean, I've only had to it's funny. I've probably have to deal with it more than than most because I come up for these weird sections. I think they try to also schedule me so they can save money, you know, for how long I'm there. Right. So, so I would say that one sean has a level, a level of consistency as a character, so it's not particularly hard to go. Well, which emotional state is Sean and is he confused or is he sort of aggressive? Uh, the sort of two basic modes he's in. Um. But you know, my thing is this and I'm the worst, because I'm the worst for a long time at learning lines, like really getting lines until I realized that that's how I actually would have to make a living. So, Um, I in the immortal words of Um of a person whose name I'm now going to forget. Uh what, sir? WHO's the actress from, uh, Romancing the stone, Kathleen Turner. She said this to me. She went learned the words, learn the words. She said it like that really ominously when I was like a waiter, and I was like, what do you think is the best advice for acting, and she went, just learn the goddamn script. So, Um, I just know it backwards and forwards. That's the thing and that's what allows me to improvise. I think is like with not so much fear, is that I know I can always go back into the script, you know what I mean. I'M NOT AFRAID THAT I'll lose my spot. So I'd say that's the best advice for block shooting, is just know everything backwards and forwards so that when you go in you're not trying to catch up. That's true, because once you have that, like that's set like in stone, like you know the story in your head, like you know exactly where you are in the map. So then you're like no, no, no, no, because we just talked about in this and then we're gonna go too, so that you can kind of do the whole storyline really quickly in your head and someday. It's hard to think when it's crossing Um, especially when you improvise, because when you add Lib a little bit here and there, you're like, wait, did that happen? Did we was that part of the story or did we add that? Because then does that makes sense to bring it back in this episode? We Are we going to use that in the episode? Because if we don't use it in the episode, it will make sense that I bring it back in this episode, you know what I mean, so that it's a throwback to something. Yes, that's so true, that what you just said is so true, which is the two fears I have is that I'm going to improvise something that's going to be a character defining thing that the writers are gonna like and I'm not gonna like it and it was just like a toss away right. So that's one. Is a fear that I will say something that will like reframe or kill my character off, which is my deepest fear Um. And the other one is I guess I also have the thing of like, as much as I want to believe that everything off the top of my dome is like a new thing, the truth is we sort of run in like a golden ratio in our mind, like we run over the same sort of Um spiral, but we keep moving out from the center. So you'll...

...end up kind of passing the same sort of jokes or concepts as you keep moving outward mentally. So if you do that sort of block shoot and you've been somewhere in the morning and then you show up in the afternoon and you find yourself sort of maybe still coming from the mornings sort of context of jokes and energy and then bringing that into the other one and it's like that's not at all the energy here, or this contradicts completely. The only thing I trust is that they cut out probably nine of my Improv so I don't have to worry that much about it. But yes, it's good Improv. Thank you, Janna, and thank you Janna. Thank you JA. But I mean the thing about you know, the cool thing about Na is that she does give us, and so does Kyle, like they give us that freedom to do so many takes, but it's so heartbreaking because you know that, like you said, it's never gonna make it, but you like I really hope they go with that take that but the good thing is that we have, you know, especially with you, like I like, there's so many takes. We're on set and I just recall like being with you on set and and you throw so many good things and I'm like any of these, any of these, would be gold, and it's just like killing your darlings, you know what I mean, like it's it's just so good and you're like any of these would work any but I my my favorite is this one and then someone else's favorite is another one. So it comes it comes down to the show at all where it's like, let's just pick what moves the story along and fits with that in that character, in that moment. So sometimes, you know, your favorite parts are like no one's ever going to see that, or will they? I wonder if we'll ever. Have we talked about bloopers or having like out takes or something that could come out, but we don't know. We should have a blooper reel. You know, when I worked for Suzanne Summers ago, you couldn't let twenty seconds go by with letting dropping name Harvey. I will name drop all day over this thing, and I'll tell you I stole the season four, step by step blooper reel from her storage corot at home and got high and watched it. Can I say that on this yeah, and uh, okay, good and UH. I wish we had like a really good but there's nothing is better than a good blooper. Real well, we have tons of it. I think they're saving it for like a big anniverse or something, which is like just let them out now, like as we go along. You know, my theory is that, we just said we have so much. I got to see the bloopers from season two. Uh. We were gonna maybe, you know, display a little bit of it and then at the last minute they're like no, let's save it, let's save it. Uh. And so we kind of like put in the back burner, but I got to see some of it really yeah, and so I think whenever it does come out, it's gonna be like all at once and it's get ready. You'RE gonna have to put a side like a whole weekend or something, because it's gonna be good. Well, I also like you're like this. I feel like is that you're someone who I, at least this is my outside observation with in terms of Improv and doing scenes over and over is I find, like I see you work in the way of sort of like each time is this sort of new improvement on the last on the last take what you know, plus adjustments or whatever people make, but sort of really find finding the comedic sort of balance between the material and making sure that it's funny and natural and, uh, watching that you sort of grow a little piece of a move each take. I'll watch you sort of grow a move until it finds it's will like sort of come up from the soil and you go, oh, there it is, and then you and then you see you move in that. But so much of it, to me at least, I don't know how much of it. I presume it's it's improvised and I thought that in the wedding. I always keep talking about this and it's like it's probably not even in there, but just doing the like figuring out the physical comedy with you and that very brief bit where we intersect with each other and each time it's sort of changing and shifting was. Those things are so much fun to me. Sometimes it's not even saying something, sometimes it's just realize an incidental move says so much, you know, a hand movement, of Body Movement, and I think people forget that improvisation is not just of the mind, it's of the body and behavior as well. As an Improv teacher, uh, former I should say, Um and so, I mean everyone. So you know, it's it's a pretty great it's a pretty amazing thing to have such an all star and I would say not since thirty rock, and of course I was nobody, you know, I was just a little extra there, but the same level of play. Like thirty rock had so many improvisers that you would just see things go in different directions. Is some of that vibe on on on shadows of that energy of just everyone can go anywhere. And Yeah, I mean Kyle and Ayanna just you know, they'll let you go until you know, sometimes kyle come in and tap me on the back and go, okay, we need to get a little bit of the script out of this. We got we got a day to make no, but it's true. The yeah, I think with me it's like because the getimost...

...you know, the straight man in the show, which is like to play with all these characters that are bigger than life and and and so wonderful and and almost like a forst. You know. It's almost like it's so great to be around the energy, but it's so hard to contain the Yetimo, to keep him into like he has to be grounded, but he has to be funny, but he can't be too broad and too big. So it's like, like you said exactly that it's like I plant the seed and it's like we do a take and I water it and it's just like slowly, because then I have to see what they're interaction with him is going to be and I have to see what they're gonna give him, because if they're if everyone's screaming at the top of their no lungs, it's not gonna it's not gonna compliment the scene. It's gonna be like if they're up here, then he him has to stay steady and like compliment them from down here into like leveled up. Otherwise it's just too too much friction. It's just two parents, you know, going back and forth. Uh, and so I feel for me. It's like I planted. I yeah, you're exactly right. The seed sprout there, it is there, and then are we comfortable with that level? And then we land it and then it's like okay, great, and now we can like take it anywhere we want. Are Do adjustments and stuff, which I think, uh, is good for the scene. I think it's that. That's what keeps the rhythm of the going. I think that's what the dynamic of the characters meshed so well with each other because of that. Yeah, well, and I mean, yeah, of course you need balance. What is it you need? You know, you need acid to balance out uh, bases, right, you need, you know, in cooking, you need all these different things to sort of make the flavor balance. And the thing to me that's funny, though, is that, even though Garmo is a straight man, it's so funny because it's like in this show it's like Gama is the straight man and you're like he's hilariously funny and and and, in in equal parts, sort of subtle moment where it's just a look right and other things where you are like kicking ass and then also like exploding on someone and like so to me it's so funny that even our baseline for what straight man is still like funnier and and engage right, and it's like to me that's such a quality of the show as like even our standards are totally different, you know, because you think of straight man too and like so many things that are sort of run of the mill comedy or maybe even like Rom coms and things, and so much of it is more this generally, especially in the twenty one century, a sort of like someone put it like a little ship under their nose and they're just always like, like, they're just like always sort of just like not having it, and you're like, I don't think straight man meant disappointed, I don't disgusted it. I don't know when that, when that became the standard of the definition of the straight man. Yeah, under your nose. Yeah, I'm so excited because, you know, I only and this weirdly ties back, which is not to be like I'm so method but like I sort of figure Sean does not know anything that goes on in this world except for what he encounters. So I don't actually particularly read the rest of the script. I only read the things where I'm showing up or anything that would contextualize something that I would need to know, because I feel like why would I want to maintain ignorance? And I find if I know more, I might improvise and I might accidentally say something right. Um. So it's interesting to me because I watched the show. I've always said people like you know, because I talk about the show to friend or something and they're like, Jesus, you're like plugging your own show. I'm like no, I'm like, I would watch this show if I wasn't on it. I would be dedicated Lee watching the show like any other great thing. I like like Jack Reacher, Harvey. Um, I would watch, dedicate. That's that's true. Yes, my dad. Well, yes, my father really loves Jack Reach to a disturbing obsessive degree. But that uh, that I'm excited to see what's happened gonna come of heart of of Gearmo this season, because there are all these things, some of them do know, that are coming, that I am like truly excited about because I think also just some of them have to do just with how representation of the world and things like that I think are really important and that this show has always so tapped so hilariously and smartly woven that thread for a show that's not referential really right, like there's really little reference, although they did do a reference, right didn't they do one? In like three or four of this season? They referred to something that happened in the last year and they like justified in the vampire ward and I can't remember what it is. Maybe I should have written notes before I came on to do oh well, in the beginning of this season we had like things that happened around the world that kind of like may have been that's what it was like we have been attached to by accident, to Nandor's travels around the world. It might have caused like chaos or something. That's what it was, something like that. We also had like a season two, I think it was, or was it three, where Colin Robinson Um Parks Cadillac sideways...

...or horizontal on the on the what is it? The freeway? What's that? The Brooklyn to Manhattan? Yes, what do you call it? Yes, the beak, the not the Brooklyn in Manhattan. It's the not the Brooklyn Bridge, the very is it the Queensboro? Bo Queensborough. I think it was a Queensboro locking all traffic. Just like, Oh, it would be the Arizona, because it's the Arizona because it's from Staten Island to Brooklyn. But I know now what it is. It wasn't. It was it was the tanker. It was your shipping tanker getting caught in the Gulf. Yeah, that's what it was. Oh my God, when you came out of the box, I just just so it's probably like the lamest interview you've ever done because I'm because I'm like, let me tell you, but when you came out of the box, and the first in the premiere, and I was sitting there going he's gotta be in that box, he's in that Goddamn box. You know, I kind of listen there going he's in that box, and I was like Nah, I'm like, he's not in the box, and he came out that. I don't know why, but it really, really delighted me because it was so absurd. You'd just be covered in waste and Oreo cookies and it's Uh yeah, twice. They did it twice and when I read that script I was just like are you kidding? Like they're like when we say we left off, we're picking up where we left off. We weren't kidding. So we when we gave those hints and clues and we're like we're picking up right where we're left off. And it's like, but a year's gone by, a whole year's gone by, but we're picking up right when we left off, and people are like, okay, whatever that means. It's like, no, we're picking up where we left off. We literally last saw them He create, and we pick up in a crate when we come back. That wasn't really fun. And, weirdly, folks, that's how Harvey does arrive to the show every year. Yeah, so it's a little weird. It was just a little bit from his life. That's how I travel over to Canada from L A and put me in a cre just come up with me with like luggage and stuff, and that's how usually travel. Uh. You know, that was also the first scene we shot at the season. The actual opener of the season was the first scene, which rare, rarely happens. Usually in the past couple of seasons we the first day on sets like the third episode. You know, I think last season the first day on set was like, uh, me in a cage or something, and it was like that was like the third episode or something. and Um, so there's always like, well, this doesn't feel it doesn't feel like that an order of the story. But for the first time this year it did feel like. I was like, Oh, the first day on set is the first day back, you know, to school. Like that was kind of cool. Um, this episode, this week's episode we just saw, is actually when we're trying to get baby calling into a really a really good school. Getting getting having kids is already hard in general, but worried about their education and like their academia and and getting them to school. And I mean Shawnee tries to help out in the way that he can't. One of my favorite lines is, uh, what is it that? What that thing? You know? I always thought you guys were that. What's that word I'm looking for? And we're like poly, polyous, no, dirty hippies. I remember that was on. It was on the script or was that you improvising that, because we did a couple of times. Don't I don't remember. I feel like it was a hybrid because I feel like they had something, but it might have been in the script. I'd have to look it up. Um, although it does feel like that might have been accessing the trump data bank in my head of like, like, of like what's an insult? That's sort of like a like a like a working guy insult that like he thinks it lands really hard and it's like basically a parody, like saying someone's a dirty hippie. Maybe, like in nineteen sixty eight would have been like an interview that Joan Crawford game in to good housekeep. Oh my God, Oh my God, what was that? Well, yeah, people may not know this, Anthony, but I mean they might be living under a rocket. They don't know this, but you do a really, really good he who should not be named, and I think you should do just the impression of how do you recommend getting my child into a school? What kind of school do they need to go to? If I was asking this person, how do you you? Well, the first thing you have to do is you have to have two incredibly stupid children, and I do. I've got Eric and Don Jr, and you pay off, you pay off the headmaster, you threaten him and you go listen, if you're not careful, I'll bury your wife on my golf course. And who one? The whole number one's already taken. Um. Yes, if you haven't guessed, ladies and gentleman, Anthony does a great, great Lizam and Ellie and yes, that's the best. Uh No, it's so good, is it? Your mother was actually a teacher...

...herself, right at Emerson College, College and teacher of the arts, that you grew up with the arts like at a at a young age. Like how does that mold you? Know, this year with Colin we're seeing that what's so, you know, what's nurture versus nature or vice versa? And would you say that, like being around artistic people, being around the campus and and and and these students who thrive in the arts, did that mold you in a different way? It would have. You grew up, obviously in a different environment. How so it totally changed I mean it totally changed my life. Two things changed my life. One was the arts, both my parents being in the arts, and my stepfather is a biologist and scientists, and that was also a good balancing out of this person who was all about reason and logic. But too parents. My father is a drummer, has been drumming since the lates, you know, mid sixties or or late fifties. I think he's toured with a bunch of people and uh done all that and he's also a visual artist. And my mom, uh is a musical theater dancer and singer and was a choreographer did avant garde work and she taught Emerson. so that that that exposure to one going to the college I went to basically since I was six. So I like was around Emerson my entire life. So going to college there was like not a shock at all, um. But yeah, being around dance, particularly dancers who are Um, you know, the language is their body and the way that they move and communicate. But also, let's face it, I mean, you know, I was sitting with college. This is probably inappropriate now, but, like, you know, I'd be like ten years old hanging out as the they were changing and talking and yelling and swearing and you know, I grew up pretty fast too, like in the sense that was around a lot of you know, my father would take me to these art openings. His friend David Kelly, who's a large mural artist, now resides in Uh Texas, and he does, you know, thirty foot tall murals. Right. So my life bounced between going to loft art parties when I was like eight, nine and ten and going to Emerson and watching like uh, you know, rope dances and like people like doing like cutting edge choreography. This was sort of like my my and I wanted and I sort of went well, I want to be funny, that's kind of what I want to do. Um. And the second one was moving to Chelsea, Massachusetts, which is a little not akin to Staten Island, maybe a little bit more like the Bronx meets Queens. But I think growing and going and living in a sort of economically depressed area in the eighties that was very multicultural, uh and took plucked me out of a sort of very um suburban, uh rural existence with sort of all the same people around me when I was six. I think was the best thing that happened to me in my life. I can't, I think about what would have happened if I had just lived in sort of lily white tops field until high school and had, you know, my mom taught and I didn't. I think I would have been kind of a boring person. And if you're someone listening to this and you're like, Oh my God, that's me don't worry about it. You can change your life right now. Just go pick the arts, pick something and outside of your comfort zone and explore it, because what is worth life is not worth living without the arts. In my view, I don't even understand the point of it. And that in housewives. I was gonna say that's such a great way to say that message across the world, Anthony, to tell those young artists out there and housewives and housewives, you've got to celebrate. You got to celebrate what we might be having. We might we may or may not be having a guest. Uh You know, we also interview celebrities who are fans of the show and who like what we do. The shadows. So we may or may not be, uh you know, meeting some of one of your favorite or some of your favorite housewives. Who Knows Lu Anne? Bring Lunn on, she's a blast. LUANE LA SEP is a wonderful human being. I've been to a Christmas party at our apartment. She's she's wonderful. There's another name drop for you. Are Full of Susanne, Summers, Luentellas, Countess, Countess Luanne, although she's retired that name, and I also want to say that the thing that struck me in this episode was initially I read it and I had this thing where I was like, Sean went to a private school. That's bizarre like that. I like that that we were like see what what comes out of a private education could be anything, you know. Well, yeah, well, the other thing that I found funny was I then went but I sort of come from his economic circumstances and my grandparents saved and scrimped to send me to Glenn Orkhart School, which was a private school. So it was interesting because sort of was like, why am I, why am I todging this? This is exactly what happened to me.

And then I was like, you know, I was like, oh no, well, I think it worked out pretty well for everyone and we're lucky that we get to have you on the show. Uh, we got picked up for season five and six, which is super exciting. It's so incredible. I can't believe we've been doing this for four season. I feel like just yesterday we're like in Toronto and the first couple of seasons and we're like we'll see you know, and then now we're now we're in the middle of the season four airing and about to start production on season five and we're really excited. And this year we have Naja's UM nightclub, which we've been asking our guests if you were a drink at Naja's and a human drink, not a vampire drink, but a human drink based on your character, what would that drink be called and what would it be made of? Oh, I feel like for here's the thing. I feel like if Sean was drinking Sean would probably I forget what they call it, but where they dropped the shot into the beer, is it called a boiler maker, I think, or a yeager bomb, but I think it's when it's woice whiskey, it might be called a boiler maker. I don't know, but that's what I think he would have if he had his druthers. But I personally think he would order a Tom Collins because I think that his grandparents probably drank that and thought that was a classy drink and that's his understanding of a classy drink. And it's a male name, so it's like I think for Shan it would be like I want a Tom Collins because it's like a man's name and it sounds like a drink and I think he thinks the oceans twelve people would drink another even though there's a big cherry, even though it's a big cherry in the town Colin, even the obvious. But that's the thing about Sean, that's the thing about shot, is that that that his eye, through slight improvisations, have forced Sean to not be a closed minded home a phobic biggot, and that's been one of my great achievements and what and what a treasure he has to has for for being that. If only any everyone in the world could learn San's ways, I think we'd be better right. Well, Anthony, I want to thank you so much for coming on the show. We love having you, uh, and I'm so excited for this season and everyone to see the rest of the season. So keep watching the show. Is Anything you wanna tell the fans who have become a total sean stand this season and the past seasons? Anything you want to tell the fans you just love Shannie? Well, for all five of you listening, I I want but you know what, I'll say this. I I uh, I think that you're gonna continue to be surprised by the Shawn's Um emotional complexity and even though it's slight, and thank you, I mean I love the Fan Art, so I'm always down for any fan art. I don't care if it's not suitable for work viewing, I don't care, like you could do whatever you want. I want to in on that party, whatever it is, so feel free to fan arn't me out. And also, if you really, if you do love the Improv part things, here's my plug. I do a podcast called the phony and collige show with my friend John Gambling, and we improvise. I mean we do a lot of talking and sort of stuff, and you know it's about a phone call with two friends, but we improvise to and we always do a unique interesting stuff. So check that out wherever podcasts are and I love working with Harvey and I'm Hoping Harvey's and Jack Reach Your too, but I bet he can't say. And that's all the time we have for today. Thank you so much, anthony, for joining us. But actually, yeah, make sure you follow Anthony on all socials. Where can they find you, Anthony? On twitter and on Oh yeah, you just look up my name, Tony a Tamanik a t a m a n Ui k or just just follow the phony and college show. Just do that. There you go. We'll see you next time. We'll see you. Okay, we welcome back. I'm really excited for our next guest. It's the one, the only, salve volcano. All right, welcome to behind the shadows are dear good friend, Sal Volcano. Hello, how are you, buddy? Good, how are you? I I was go, go. I'm so excited when things talking about go. Do you go first? No, same. I was like I was, I was putting I have a t shirt on and I was wondering if I was underdressed because I've seen old episodes and I had to tell you, your outfits on these are amazing. I've loved everything. I mean it's just like it looks like you're going to an awards show sometimes and I'm like, Oh my God, I should have put on a button down. I you know, this season we're more laid back and Lucy Goosey. I mean I'm wearing a mess shirt,...

...but still, you know, it's a caller. It's still dressed up, but it's uh yeah, we still have fun with you know, dress up like the event or whatnot, which is fun, and every season we switched it up. But yeah, that's the funny because someone else said the same thing and I was like maybe you shouldn't have to dress up, because come as you are, you know, just like I like dressing up sometimes. So and today I'm wearing Mesh so just for you, summertime. But I'm so excited to have you on the show. First of all, we're so excited that you're in this week's episode. UH, as excited as I am sure wait would tell us. So, so, are you a fan of what we're doing the shadows? Oh, yeah, yeah, I mean I just for me and went back to I had seen the movie when it came out, like I mean at this point has to be like what eight years ago or something like that. And then when the show came out, q was the one who told me, like you better get on this show now, like I knew it was coming out and I was like, Um, I totally want to watch it, and then Brian Quinn, I should say, my buddy who was on the show that I do, he was like you have to like the best thing ever, and then I went over his place and he rewatched with me and we just binge the whole thing I've been hooked ever since. You guys are the funniest thing out there. Really. I love the show because you're all so so funny but also so likable and lovable. Um, I don't know, I just the show is that your show is the show that makes me laugh out loud the most. Oh Wow, that's that's that's a big comment coming from I mean you guys the show. I have to say my mom, my whole family is such a fan of the show that it was so funny to tell them like it gets to me in the show and my mom was like, you know, Spanish speaking, she's Oh, she's like so excited. Uh. So, the idea that, like you know, Brian got you hooked on the show, which both of you I've been look enough to meet and and are so lovely and so wonderful and so talented and fund of Yourself. Like, I mean, who is the bigger fan that Brian got you onto the show? What do you say? You surpassed him as a fan, or is still the number one fan, because he was on the show last time, last season, he was on our after show. Yes, he don't. Yeah, I knew that. I think that I probably took the lead now because I've appeared on the show. So just saying I am now in the universe of the show. I was thinking about this today, but I this is not giving anything away because it aired two days ago. Right, yeah, yeah, but Um, I got my nap, my neck snapped by last love, you know, and like I was and I didn't know I was definitely gonna do that. Went into it. For sure. It's like an honor to get murdered. But then I'm like, Oh my God, like I want to be able to come back if they ever need me. But I guess maybe, like the writers can get creative and like someone snaps their fingers and I can come back. Right, no one dies, no one truly ever dies. That's what I was saying, like it's always like no one ever really dies. I mean, yeah, you know, it's just it's just a mamount of time. And we have witches, we have warlocks, we have fairies this season we have gnomes, we have necromancers. Anything is possible in this world, which is cool, because anything you needed a spell or need is like an old legend that comes to life and your spell book, you know, whatever, it's possible. So the idea that you came and played with us. It's such a cool episode. We're trying to get baby Colin into a really good school, which I don't have kids, but I can't even imagine just raising children period of trying to get them through academia and like trying to get them to the Nice School, and baby collins growing an alarming rate and we have to go through this private school and and in the episode, Um laslow brings you over and introduces it. This is my friend from and he what does he call your show? It was so funny. He said something different every time that. But I think it's like impossible, the impossible prankster and impossible gess. Oh my God, I had the whole time I was I was like, please, don't be the one to laugh because, like they, you know, I only have a few lines and stuff and I so wanted to improvise with everybody. I got lucky enough to be. Well, you know, obviously Um Colin Robinson wasn't there in the scene, but I lucked out in the fact that I got to be in a scene with all of you, which was so rasane. I know. I guess in the episode they're trying to get him into a prestigious charter school, what have you. And so they have Um, I guess, the Dean or whatever from the school. They want to impress them by knowing some Staten Island celebrity. So I played myself as the last minute pull for us that island, which is pretty accurate. I Guess Colin Joson and Pete Davidson weren't available, or anyone, anyone in the wood. False to me, which is people. People mean, I know this, but you were born in Staten Island. You are from Staten Island. Yeah, now, right now, because we talk. Another cool thing about the show is just like I love that it takes place in Stan Island, but it's not even like, you know, for the most part, lean into any like stand island tropes too much. It's like a toy thing. But yeah, unless except your neighbors at the guys, that couple went to Anthony, yeah,...

...which we just had. So, uh, it's great that you guys are both in this episode because it's so it's rare that you get us all together in the same room. And I just remember you when you walked on set. You had the smile on your face of just like like literally. I mean tell me walk me through the experience. Why don't you? The beginning of like finding out that you got the part and and and being asked and all that. How how did that feel? How did that come to be? So whomever reached out, someone there even even like just I was just so lucky that they asked me versus even any of the other guys right and they were like, Oh, what we do in the shodows want you to do like a small walk on role, and I was like immediately, like are you kidding me, like it was like a bucket list thing, you know, because and so I'm like absolutely. And then I'm like nerves, because I love the show so much and I respect like you guys are so good it, at what you do and everything. So I'm coming into your world. So there's nerves. But the best part was like when I arrived, like you know, it's just like anything else, like you, you you put into the universe on the stage, like on the set. And actually it was so like cool because the house is built, like it's fully, like it's not like it's once like almost like you would think of Sitcom, where it's like one thing is here and the next set is to the right and it's just all on one level, like you know, you guys down the hallways like it actually was the house built out like on the sound stage, and it was like so it was so immersive, m H. and it's just walking and I'm like, oh, that's where this happened, that's what, that's what, and it is so detailed that it is. It's it's unbelievable being there in in person. If you just close your eyes and open them inside that place, you would think you were there. Yeah, it's so cool. The I mean our set designers, Um, you know, I've gone of them and beyond for the last like four seasons and it's just like you know, from bunch to everyone who's worked on it. It's just like when you walk around the set. I've there for all these years and I still find things on the set that are brandy to me, like I still find things like what is this and like pull it out of the shelf or or something, some little detail that you would have passed by a million times and then you just stopped for a second because for some reason I've seen has you in that corner holding still for a second and you look like, is that a woodcarving of a GNOME spinning like what? Like it's like you know, just like you look at me like what is this? And it's like the craziest set, the most immersive set. It's so creative and wonderful, and you were so nice enough to like you, like you just said. I think you saw it on my face and I'm sure you have things to do all day long and you guys are they're filming in another room and they like keep it down, and this is that, and I know you have stuff to do, but Youre so generous with your time and you took me to my through the whole thing, like my own personal tour, and like you, I mean you really, like, really like we're generous with your time. I really appreciate that. I mean it's like I always feel like maybe it's the hospitality of being Mexican. How tell you to me that it's like when you come to someone's home, you welcome them, you, you know, give them tour. You asked them if they want anything, and you hungry, do anything to eat, which we have, like you know, obviously we have a crew and p a s to do that. But usually, like when you get there. It's like that's what I do, even if you have stuff to do, I feel like I take it upon myself just because I know what it's like to be on set and be the first you know, uh, coming into a train already in motion, or coming into a new school and being the new kid at school, and the last thing you need is everyone having there already clicks and already like, you know, making the lunch table seem like it's not inclusive. And so what I tried to do in our set is everyone's included, and everyone's included. So the second you walk into set, we welcome you, you know, or at least I welcome you, and like I'm just like, you know, to the part where it's annoying. It's like if it's a cold day, it's like do you want hot chocolate? You like, it was great. You actually, you know, it made me so much more comfortable because then, like moments later that like I'm in the scene with everyone and it was just so cool to be amongst them all. Like again, huge trend. It was great to on like breaks, when we're like had a few minute break, we go into like another room, like a regular room, like like a not in the hall, like a just like a room with a couch and like and like a coffee machine, and there everyone's in costume and I'm just not because I'm playing myself and we're just like shooting this ship about real stuff, but they're all dresses, stampas. It's it's so surreal. It's so funny because I always think of those conversations when we're in the green room, right where in the green like the waiting room, and like there's coffee and it was sitting around like a regular couch and it's hot, but they're in costume. You know. I mean like at the end Wal you get a little bit of away with it because he's kind of dressed like Oh, you can bump into this guy in the street, you know, in New York or stat nten or something in these coasts, but in this world you would never bump into someone with the long gorgeous cap or a petticoat dress or and so it's funny to be talking about like, you know, their latest episode of, you know, watching love island or something like like Oh, you know what, and it's just like they're talking just like, you know, shooting the ship and there's. It always blows my minds here. The conversation is while they're in those offers and they go...

...okay, back and they go back into character and they're like these you know, bigger than life. It's just it's fun. It's fun and I'm glad that you know. How is it? The whole experience, like when you got the part? Did you call did you call Brian or did you call anyone else and tell them? Hey, I told everybody, as soon as everyone, everyone I know that loves the show. I was like, I guess what, I did that whole thing with everyone. I kept having the experience over and over and over. I'm like, I'm going and I was actually in Um, I forgot this was. This was when do we film this? Like last winter? Yeah, I'm not sure. I think I was also filming and because you have like what like a window opportunity, like two days or whatever, and I made sure. I was like you, guys, I have to. I'm doing this. I'm not saying no, so figure it out, like on my own my own show, like figure it out, because I'm doing I love that. You left your show, a highly successful show. That's that's doing wonderful and has movies and whatnot, and then you're like, figure it out, I'm gonna go do the show. Have to go do this show. You figure it out and it's like, you know, but what a what a what a luxury to be able to do that, you know, and just like, just like, I would say, Um, well, if you were to make the characters some shadows and it could be a practical jokers which, by the way, my mom loves. Who Do you think the characters and shadows? How would they how would they do? Who would be like the biggest prankster? UH, out of those guys, I mean I would assume laslow. Yeah, I came. I think Nandor is is is not too hip, you know. Yeah, and I don't know what that again. Maybe to Colin would be horrible. He would he ruined the ruined. It's a comedy. Colin Robinson, like he'd just be like there would be like people on the street just like looking at him, like who. Well, if they weren't in character, though, who of the actors do you think would be really great at it? I think cavon would be so great too. Yeah, character voices and stuff. Yeah, I I mean I would oh my God, you're talking about dreams now. Actually, this is kind of apropos and I'm I'm hoping that, I mean, this is on our end. This is a done deal, and I relayed that everything to you, know, to my crew, but we're hoping to have you on our show. Oh, okay, yes, absolutely, going with that. Okay, well, we could actually make it, you know, a reality. I spoke to you a few weeks ago and I hope you come on the fall and I think that if the window is good, then you're gonna you're gonna come on. I hope we're all home and I'm I'm if the windows are allowed and the windows open, then I'll fly like Peter Pan through it. So that would be great. I mean, yeah, well, speaking your favorite characters, because obviously you know there's so many on the show, who from the show itself, like from all the characters and what we do in the shadows your what's your favorite character? Whoever, like whatever, I mean this God that you have such a huge rotating cast of of like recurring characters and go between Nick Roll and Christine Shawl. She's at the Guide and I was just I was just trying to catch up on this season and I started episode three where the nightclub finally opens, and I'm waiting to see if I see if, if, if Richie sucks shows up or not, but because it made me laugh so hard, like Richie suck, it was the funniest thing, and so, like, I didn't get ahead enough to really to see if, like who's playing it? But I'm like it's so excited for that character. Or does it gonna know it is gonna Happen and it's gonna be Great. And also that's the episode with Fred Armison Guest Stars, Yi, familiar. Yeah, yeah, so that's a great one. I love Naja nightclub. It's so cool. This year her opening the nightclub is a great idea because everything changes, even the even the Guide's style changes, like her outfit or hair and her everything, and and Naja's wardrop changes as well to accommodate. But the club itself is really, really cool. Um and everything. Yeah, well, yeah, well, it used to be the the inside of the Chamber of curiosities in the library. So it's a giant, beautiful, beautiful. It took six months to build. It was like crazy, Um, and so it's stunning and now it's turned into a nightclub for this season, which is so perfect, because what do you do with such beautiful space? We can't demolish that and, like you know, it's like for last season. That's like we should utilize it. Um, it's it's stunnying. It's like one of my favorite sets I've ever been on. But this season we have the nightclub and we've been asking our guests if you, uh, he'sa...

...or a drink, what would you drink be called and what would it be made out of at the nightclub? And does that brand partice me for humans, human human consumption alcohol? Well, I was, I mean, if I was there, I feel like I'd have to do something like a bloody Mary, right, yeah, I mean that that makes the most sense, right. I would just, I would, I would a bloody Mary and then I'd probably put like, just to reference my own my own heritage, I'll probably put some garlic in there from my Italian side and maybe like a plantain from my from my Hispanic side, as a Garnish, just a huge plantaine on the side of a cup and over balancing everything. You don't know if it's gonna Teeter to one side. It's a giant plantain, just a huge plantaine, just like don't even explain it. What would the name of it be? Has To have a name, like if I went to Brunch on Nagas. What would I ask for? Yeah, really right? Um M Hmmm, I don't know. I'd find him that to myself or not, like something for her. Maybe maybe the Gregor, because, uh, that's her, that's the person that she's been in love with roll those years. Right, isn't Jeff Jeff JF right, isn't it? Isn't it? Yeah, so, I mean I know she, like you know, that's who she wants to get our teethon. So probably it's closed to be spelled out like in, like right in the plantain. Is that that's good? Spelled that right there. I love that. I'm so excited for everyone to just see this season and hopefully we can make that work out this fall, because we do know it. Yeah, it's so it's so exciting. We've got season five and six. Congratulations five and six s the way. So you have to kind of just walk by the writer's room at some point and just be like now, wouldn't it be fun to bring him back from the dead and just like just lofted out there and see what happens for me, you know, and then keep telling me, like Harvey, you do this every time, like keep walking, like keep wants so weird. I was just walking to you, guys. What do you guys Doud in here anyways? You know, how are you just talking to sell I was just talking to Salla other day. We're saying, like shooting the ship, and then I was like, wouldn't it make sense for him to like, you know, like doesn't it make sense? Guys, doesn't make get your hands off of me. No, but we really, we really. I mean everything is possible in this world. We love having you on the show. You were so wonderful and I'll never forget your face and that it was a kid in a candy store. Um, it's quick, really, it's quick. I don't we have like four handful of lines. But yeah, but you know, we have a Rollo dex of like of celebrity friends and guests who want to be on the show. You know, we want to be on the show and we just can't make it work because it wouldn't make sense that we put everybody wants to do in the show. It would be like it doesn't make sense what for sure, it's just so the fact that it worked out. It's just like it is, like you said, like it's just like that nice sight will you Wanka ticket where it's just like come on board, and I felt like it was I was taking you down the down the chocolate river. Yeah, that's what I felt like. I felt like you were taking me through like something like a Wanka factory. You know. It's like we even went upstairs and everything was so cool and we rarely shoot upstairs because it's just for decor and for visual but I don't give you a half ass tour tour, and I get it. When you sign up for a Harvey tour, you get a full tour. Alright, I looked out in scene with all of you guys. I got killed, which is so cool. You know, my neck is snap. But then there was just like scene right aft, and I'm not sure if it made the edit, but like where I forget who was snapping. It might have been Nandor and uh, and like everything was getting kind of messed up, and I think it was. It was hypnotizing. So we were just every time we messed up, I think it was I think it might have been Laslo or cave on one of them snap and then it would be like like nothing happened and would be doing a different scene. And then laslow, Nandor would be lovers and their partners raising a child and gay couple, and then they would mess that up and they would snap again and it would be like Naja and laslar a couple who adopted a child and or whatever it was. You know, it was like that whole like, you know, Oh my God, Danny, mix up. Kind of fun. And then one of those snaps, I'm there alone with my corps still on the couch where I was killed, and and and I guess Um not. I think Naja is at to get turned into a skunk. She was sitting next to me and so I actually got to there was a live, real skunk that they put right on top of me while I played dead, which was also absolutely terrifying, like a trooper. And you were like a go like I remember when they asked you this would be like yeah, yeah, you seem like you had done it before, but it's so funny to hear that that you just went along, you're like yeah, yeah, it's fine, I wouldn't do anything. There's nothing. I would say. I'm scared of cats. To put in respective skunk,...

...it was like a little bit like less domesticated there. It's always so funny because it's like a handler, but I'm like, it's a skunk and the skunk wants to do what the skunk wants to do. Isn't this skunk going to do what the skunk wants to do? Yeah, YOU'RE NOT gonna do handlers here about like I don't do that, don't do that. And we literally have animals on the show all the time and I think it's so funny that they always uh. The wranglers are always like yeah, yeah, no, they'll do it, and it's like he can't really make an animal do. They're gonna do what they want to do, you know. I mean it was one year we had a goat that's supposed to run down the hallway and during rehearsal I did it perfectly over and over and as soon as the camera was rolling, that go would not leave down the hallway. Who just look down? It just looks straight down. Yeah, and they just go and they just leave into the other room and would not go down the hallway and then the trainer was just like with the Clicker, come on, come on, and then it was just like kind of teasea walking towards the clicker and then it just go way. Can't make them do anything they don't want to do. But they take really good care of the animals on the show. So I'm just like, I feel like the animals get treated better than anyone else because it's an animal and you Gott you can't. You gotta show you know. It's like no, put them in Nice, you know, trailer and all that. Yeah, but it's so you were such a trooper. I mean I couldn't believe you would you would have told me you couldn't stand animal or a cat or a scunt. What's scary, I wouldn't believe you because you were so down and you were such a trooper. And now, looking back, now I was like, wow, can't we leave? You did that, but it's just I was just playing dead at the time, so I would just like just not moving. So I was like that helped because I was like I won't move a muscle, pretend it's not happening out of the whole set. I mean you saw the tour. Is there something that you were like, Oh man, I wish I could just take that, or I wish if I could take one, if you could pick one piece from the set it's so that you could take with you. What would it be? Yeah, the room we filled in filmed and was really, really cool. I remember they had all the candles that day, like tons of them. Um, but when you took me into something like the library room, I was like, like that was tempting because it's it's so densely it's so densely filled with objects and you know, you get that little thing that goes to your head like will anyone ever know? Will anyone? But then you think about it's like how mortifying it it would have been to decide to do that and get called right at the end. We have we have security guard goes to your back and what's this and just like, you know, volume one of Moby Dick or something, because some of those props are really, really old, like there's books in there that are from like the eight hundreds. Like this's like and that's why I'm like, I rarely want to touch anything, but if I do, like I always tell this story. I think it's like several supper times. But my favorite thing I ever found was an antique map from Disneyland and the shelves of like a bookshelf from nine one, like it was like a map on set and I was decided what and I was like, this is so great, this is a story. At some point these vampires went to Disneyland and they have the man and it's here or something happened. But I love a little details. I tell my backstories and that all the time. But I mean, yeah, you're right, they would probably paint a painting or something. Yeah, the paintings are cool. I like I like Nandor's paintings. Like they it's last episode we saw all of Nandor's wives and husbands and if you look closely, because I was having made to cater to the episode, one of the original piece of him with all the husbands and yeah, that's made from an actual artist who was commissioned to do it. And then, if you look closely, one of the wives is Yana, our director, Yanakaya. Her face isn't one of the wives, and we always do a little like Easter eggs like that, just like in the in the in the curiosity chamber, when you look at the big mural of the truth, the original three, which is Tayka Jermaine, that the vampires from within the show of the movie. If you look that one underneath it in the in the in the what do you call it? The banister or the fireplace, there's a little portrait and it's Cape Kpe Bunch and she's the one who designed the set. Oh Yeah, I saw her episode actually, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so so cool. So there's little e strings all over the set that maybe you'll never even hear of, but we know that they're there. But I'm so glad you can't play with us because it made an episode so much better and uh, and everyone can actually watch it now on Hulu streaming and uh, we can't wait to hopefully have you back from the dead. That would be just the best buddy. But I'm thankful for the experience I have and everyone can watch your show. We're gonna be watch your show. Yeah, absolutely, the shows on Thursday night at ten o'clock on true, we're just finishing up season nine now, but I think you watch the episodes on like HBO, Max and then we're filming season ten now, which I hope to return the favorite to you and you're a part of it. Yeah, here's, here's how in the fall I'll be there. All...

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