Behind the Shadows w/ Harvey Guillen
Behind the Shadows w/ Harvey Guillen

Season 4, Episode · 3 weeks ago

Live at NY ComicCon w/ Belissa Escobedo

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Harvey talks to Belissa Escobedo aka Beli live at the NY Comic Con! They chat everything from Beli's recent role in Hocus Pocus 2, their upcoming DC film together, Blue Beetle AND What We Do in the Shadows! PLUS the struggles of working with difficult directors and their love of voice acting! THEN the mics are opened up to the audience! 

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Straw Media. Thanks for coming out to our favorite podcast, Behind the Shadows at cally Car, New York. I'm really excited as you know, how many what we do in the Shadows fans do we have in the audience. It's a lot. It's a lot of fans. It's a lot of fans. So I'm excited because the first time we've done this at New York Comic Con. And I'm super excited about our guests because it' tis this season. I fell in love with Belly. Uh I called her Belly. Everyone who knows her and loves her calls Belisa, but I call her Belly and everyone who loves her does so as well. You might have seen her in a couple of projects I don't know, like hocus Pocus too. So without further ado, let's welcome Belisa esqwhelming hot. Bizzar had to tell me you why would anyone want to be like dis my hair reputation before she arrived, But trust me, we have way more fun in the f line. We have way more fun. Thanks for coming for having me. Oh my gosh, you guys, how many have you seen hocus Pocus the latest movie? Yeah? Yes, yes, so we actually met on set of another movie. Yeah, we can talk about a little bit. Yeah, should we tell them what that movie is? You guys want to know what that is? Yeah, it's literally let them BC film coming up called Blue Beetle. Yeah. Do you wanna tell everybody who you playing Blue Beetle? Yes? I played Milaes, which is our main Blue be do him every day as his sister, little sister. She's very different from my character and hocus Pocus too, very different, Yes, very very different. So excited for everyone to see that as well. She's versatile, you guys, she's very satish. You can do it all. Okay. So we met and I complete fell in love with you because you just had this aura about you, like do you have this energy? And I was just talking to our friend, our mutual friend who plays on our show, Doug Jones, who plays the baron and who plays Um in hocus Pocus It's Billy Butcher uh, and had the nicest things to say about you and just kept gushing over you, like and I was like, see, that's what it is. When we meet her, that's how people walk away with right. And so I'm so glad that you're here here, Okay, I'm excited because I want to start this right away. First of all, I mean you're a fan of what we do in the Shadows, yes, yes, yes, So I want to ask you off the bat, what's your favorite episode thus far? My favorite episode is from the most recent season. Um, and it's when you when we're talking about musical theater. Yeah, that's musical theater and performing arts high schools um. I sent that to all my friends right away. I was like, this spart right here. And he goes to go see Wicked with his new love interest, Yes, with doesn't turn out to be the best for him. Did that sucks? He finds his first love and then that happens. I mean, that's terrible. Feel bad for the animal half of the time when I'm filming, I'm like, really, guys, I know, as your character, I want Yeah, I wanted to know, like you must be in a constant state of like just sadness and like wow, yeah, like I should be crying in the corner somewhere. But yeah, it's so true musical theater. You know. It's funny because Winnie Holzman wrote the script to Wicked, and she also wrote My so called Life and managed to...

...put both of her shows in one season, like the poster of my uh my so called life was on over the mirror in the living room, and then also Wicked was the show they went to see as a date. So a little fun fact when Holmans everywhere. Okay, so that's your favorite episode or the favorite story. I want to ask you if you were able to be part of the World of Shadows, which we would welcome you anytime, what would you love to play if it was possible, like anything in this world of Shadows? Honestly, I this might be two on the nose, but I would want to be a witch, which is are so cool? Such baddies? Yeah, yeah, I can see that really, like like what kind of powers would you have? Like witchcraft obviously, but like do you fly? Do you not fly? But you like, oh, definitely want to fly. Yeah, I always want to be in the air levitating. Um. I'd love to be able to just shape shift, um, you know, and also get the void Yeah, just completely shape Yeah, would definitely shape shift into Naudia a lot. Yeah, a lot, just with their outfits alone. Yeah, I mean I got to feel how those colorsts are, how are the costumes. It's I mean, Laura Montgomery, who's our costume designer, just won the Emmy for his shout out to Laura who won the Emmy for designing costumes. She beat everyone in the category and I can see why obviously. I mean you see the detail in those costumes that she literally like sweats, tears, blood over like it's just so details. So it's amazing. And speaking of which is though, we have to talk about your latest project, which is How Focused to now out on Disney Plus. Check it out you guys if you haven't, but lot have you checked it out already? Right? How many people saw it already? Yeah? A lot of people. Um, how was that audition process? Like? Going into I was like to ask actors, how is your audition process for the Yeah, the audition says, honestly took a little long, probably the longest process. It took like three months before. Yeah. Um, I first got the audition and then it took like a month for me to hear back. And I was like, oh cool, I didn't get it like that was you know, because a month is pretty long long time. Yeah. Um, So then I got that and you know, had a meeting with the director and then in the first came read. It was me and the other two girls who are cast, Whitney and Lilia. Um. And so we did the camraad and just immediately it felt like that you know, we just like we're riffing off of each other. You know. The script was very different when we auditioned. It changed a lot. Do you think that was to like not give away too much of the story. Sometimes I noticed they do the auditions that like he goo and it has nothing to do with the actual story. Well that and also just the script itself was like constantly changing. Um, you know that ending was in our first initial ending. Yeah, well you can only you can no, Yeah, I mean it's out. If you haven't seen it, that's on you. Um. But so it was it turned into a much more like emotional scene for the sisters and like more of a redemption for the Sanderson sisters. And before it was kind of just like there they go again, the evil, which is you know, like by um. But so I thought it was much more beautiful and really playing into that sisterhood, you know, that bond, that loyalty. I love that they redeemed themselves. They do because they're really Gilbert says it the best, Sam Sam richardson it up him, Yes, Sam Richard, Yes, we know. Sam Richards said, Um, his character says it best of like they were truly just misunderstood. Yea. Yeah. Do you think that's the case with like a lot of like horror films or like genres where it's like you know, um, anything that we fear...

...it is just the is the unknown, right, Yeah. And I think what we do in the Shadows is also that it's like about these vampires, all these mystical and magical powerful creatures, um, who are so funny and like just very normal and can interact with humans without always killing them. But they definitely do kill the most the most part. Yeah, but that sometimes they do kill, just sometimes when they're hungry or just in ned of kill. It's what's needed. Yeah, kill or be killed, Kill or be killed. Always say that. Like when I think of horror films, I always think about like the idea that remember when you see like the Frankenstein or monster going down the town hall and people are chasing them with torches. Then I always ask myself, like, who's the real monster? Yeah, who's who's real monster there? Because that person is understood singled out chased by you know, the majority and being chased and it's like, no, let's put a mirror right in front of the real monsters are the ones with the pitchforks and you know, absolutely, And that's that's something that I feel like in a lot of horror films in the genre, you have that moment where the audience starts sympathizing with the with the villain, whoever that is. Even you know, like Jason, you start, you know, from Ding the thirteen, do you start, um sympathizing with him? You know, you feel bad, You feel like all it was is those other monsters, the kids bullying and like you know, turning him into that monster. Um. But yeah, I feel like that's such a good part of horror movies is when they a good horror movie can manage to make you like see why because you're just nailed on the nose monsters are made. Yeah, you know, Like it's like when you think of like kids, you know, like kids aren't born like mean or racist or like those things are taught. You know, someone's teaching little monsters. Yeah, nahga, where are you teaching a little monsters? But it's like that that idea it's I love how that genre always intertwined into like real life and that like horror idea. But anyways, we're getting so serious at the podcast Behind the Shadows, But I like it, like having like real conversations with real artists and actors about stuff like this. Yeah. So, how did you know you wanted to become an actor performer? Honestly? Like, I just loved making people like laugh, like you know, always attention seeking, constantly wanted, you know, people's approval in the sense of like, whoa, you're so funny, um, But every performer, yeah, I know you want the applause. That feels so good. I think about exactly. Um. And so then when I found like acting it, I was like, oh, this is how I want, you know, to put myself out there. Um. Started with Commune and theater loved it. Um. And actually, I feel like the moment I realized I wanted to be an actor was when my friends and I in elementary school would like reenact episodes of Hannah Montana and like, um, it was really I was really in it. I was like loving it. Um, did you reenact the finale the last episode with the window? Yes? And the music? Yeah, whoa, whoa? Whoa? For sure? Yeah? Yeah that episode where she like you know, reveals her her double personality. I love that one. It would just be like, so you're reenact this with your friends just for fun, or like you put it on like a little show or just like like a recess. We would just be like right there, like by the lunch tables, just doing this, and teachers would pass by and we're like what do you Yeah, because like the Belly show at lunch for sure, I was just like, I'm the lead, I'm Montana. Otherwise we're not doing this. Like would you cast everyone else...

...about as you directed as well? Yeah? No, yeah, do you want to direct? And like as a as a thing, I'm a little intimidated by it, just I've seen like being on a set the director, it's it's definitely a team effort, you know. Um, But that too, like you really have to trust the people you're working with. I think that's the biggest thing. I would be intimidated to like be with someone who we have those conflicting visions and it just makes the process more difficult. But also you're carrying just as much as the actors. You're carrying a production you're really commanding the room, and you have to make those relationships. I mean, we had a really great director on Blue Beetle we did. Yeah, so he's phenomenal. I think that talk about control, taking control of the room and knowing what he wants executing it, which is could be hard sometimes it's like I hear you and he says it could be intimidated. Yeah, and all while being a good person to be around, like someone knew who you're not just ready to work with. Have you had some directors that you did not like as much? Filling some t We don't have to game, but the business is full of people. The business is full of people. Yeah, but definitely, I've worked with some directors that you know, you go to one director and it's like amazing, and you're like, oh wow, yeah, so that experience wasn't great, Like so this is how it should be on the set, you know. Um so yeah, I think you know, I'm sure you have to sure, I'm sure I've had a couple. I'm trying to think of a scenario where when I first got started acting, like years ago, and I was doing like student films and stuff, right, Yeah, I like the newbie student film directors who were like, you know, they thought there were scorsesey already, you know. So then I remember it was one scene and I ended up using this as a character later on another project. But it was like it was noisy. There was like a plane going by that was traffic, and I was like, because you need like, you know, silence for the scene obviously, and I was like, oh, can we use this and they're like yeah, roll it, roll the camera and I was like, okay, so I want to say that I love and if I say one more thing, and he was like yeah, we're good, perfect, and I was like I don't think we could use any of that. No, I know what I'm doing. And I was like okay, and then cut to like pickups if you know what pickups means. We didn't get it. Later on they're like, we need you to come back in, and I was like, why I thought we got it. We didn't get it right, and I was like okay. So it's weird to be in a position where you're like, you know, you think you might have an idea and you're like, I think that we should probably not record while there's a plane and a train going by. At the same time, I'm not a director or anything, but I think I know how sound works. But yeah, it's hard to say and like to speak up, you know, like thinking about projects and in your career so far, what is the next thing you want to do? Like what are you excited to do? You We played so many different roles in the role different from each other, Like what do you want next? I definitely want to keep writing that process or that trend of like playing different characters each time, because I think that's the most fun part of acting. Um, but definitely want to tap into horror. I think I've always wanted to had the brief stint on American horror stories. Uh the anthology series, not the the American horror story. Yeah. Um, Ryan Murphy's did be so dirty, putting me in that bucket hat so dirty, so dirty. I thought you look cool, thank you, thank you. But initially my character was going to die and then they were like, oh, but you're so sweet and your character is so likable, like it'll be so sad,...

...and I'm like that's the point, Like I want my head cut off, you know, like, um, I want to be like bathing in fake blood by the end. Of this scene. Um, and so that didn't happen, and so I was like, dang, Like, yeah, I was in the horror, but I want to be killed, kill or be killed. You know, I don't even get those shirts made. I want to be killed. I want to be killed, kill or be killed exactly, just walk around with those. I think it's gonna happen. I think it's definitely gonna happen, hopefully. You know. I've been working on my screams, you know. Yeah, in the last two in the last two, um, in the last two projects, I got to scream a lot. Yeah, isn't it fun? Though? I got to scream a couple of times. I like, yeah, it's so it just feels by the end of it, you're like, oh, you're needing to get that out. Yeah, Like, oh that felt good. It felt like, you know, just a really good Yeah. Yeah. But if you were to pick like one specific type of horror that you were like, oh, this is what I would play, and this is what I would love to see come to fluorition, what would that be? Maybe can manifest it right now? Story and a full moon is coming October nine? Is that today? No? No, that's tomorrow. So perfect time right now, right, yeah, um, pitch me this idea right now really quickly. I'm al yours elevator, pitch, elevator, pitch, tell me what you're thinking. Okay, So I'm thinking really play into the fact that I look, um, like six years younger than I actually am, um, like a twelve year old very sweet kind of bringing into like my usual characters was like funny, little cutesie um. And then I just want to be this mass slasher, like just like major killer um and like the most brutal where you're like, this twelve year old girl is just like the worst villain. UM. I think that would be really funny. You just pitched a movie when you guys watch that? Yeah right, that sounds pretty Yeah. I love that, and definitely I love horror comedy, like I love one of horror movie is funny, so I would want it to be like horror comedy slasher. Yeah, yeah, I love I generally love doing horror comedies. When that comes out tonight on Comedy Center at a PM, I will be watching. I will be watching uh called Curse Friends, So check that out. It's actually has an amazing cast as, like yeah, that castell and like Nikki Glazer and Rob and Nicole and like it's just the list goes on and on, Like it was just so fun to play with comedians. Ye, horror like because usually you don't see those things together. But no one does horror better than comedians because it's just over the top. The screens and everything are over the top. Um. But yeah, so that's come out tonight. That's the self like the get that in there. Someone told me they saw billboards in Times Squares, so I gotta go check those out. So I go see those billboards in Times Square? Did you do that? I do that when like a film comes out and there's like we were literally just there getting videos in me like hey really just focus ad um and like waiting and being like that that's my face. But yeah, no, it's surreal. I mean Times Square, like, I mean, it doesn't get bigger than that, and it's it never gets old. Like it's like I every time I see a billboarder project, I still get like you know, teenage me, like excited and like one, I want to go take a picture because you never know that's gonna be the last one. Yeah, yeah, you never know you're to get Yeah, because you never know, like in this in this business, you truly don't know. It could be six months or two weeks between my projects. Two weeks. Yeah that's a good way, pretty night. Yeah. So you're like I love them and I collect them and I take a picture and I become a tourist. Uh. One time I had somebody actually asked me if I wanted because I was doing a selfie and I like, do you want me to take a picture of you? And I was like yeah, I don't think the inderstood I was seeing a picture of because it took a picture and I was like at the billboard and...

...they didn't like my faces on it, and I'm just like here you go walked away and thank you. That's that's that's means show. Yeah that's me and the like what and I was like nothing, nothing, have a good day. Yeah, yeah the pictures and like yeah, but I actually love that because it's like it's my moment, like I'm having this a little like yeah, and like what you were saying about like it being like for teenage you middle school you like for me, I just want to like take a picture and like send it to all my bullies and be like yeah, that's your girl. Success is the best revenge. It really and every woman would always say that, you know that that's a common saying, um, and that when it happens, you're like, you're right, like, yeah, this feels this feels great. Yeah, And I don't have to get like physical or anything or yelling. It was just like yeah, success, yeah, just as nice. Yeah. So what do you want to see to all your bullies are listening to now? Um, I want to say stream Hocus focus too on Disney Thus and Blue Beetle will be out next August. Well said, Well said, Now, I won't see if anyone has a couple of questions. Are times wrapping up with belly, but I want if anyone has questions for her, if you want to line up to the side right here or on the side over there while we're talking, and then we'll take your question really quick. But in the meanwhile we'll keep talking. UM. Okay, going back, so when you got started? How old are you like a performing? Um? Well, like community theater and all that. Probably, I think while my first play was in fifth grade Willy Want with the musical, Um, I played Grandpa Joe. Yeah, hold on, can we talk about Grandpa Joe, What kind of character development did you do? Because in my head, what a bum like? No, yeah, what a bum like? He doesn't walk and doesn't work, and his family's like scrap like and then he gets the chocolate ticket and all of us sudden can walk. Exactly what am I am? No nice convenience? It's weird. Does anyone else think that was weird? That he wasn't a bad and all of a sudden he gets his golden ticket and gets the you know, oh I can walk? Is that weird? Okay? How did you perceive it? Um? Yeah? Definitely. Fifth grade me was just like what a total bum like? No, um, but kind of just like looked at my grandpa and was like, yeah, that's gonna be perfect, that's gonna be it. Um, thank you Graham. Yeah. But yeah, it was a musical and after that role, I think everybody realized singing is not my forte um, and it was fun. What why why do you not sing at all? You do? You don't like singing? I like singing. I think most of the time when I sing, I'm singing as a joke just because I don't want people to be like, damn really Yeah, I think he has such a cool voice. I guess who was talking to about this, Doug Jones. We were saying that your voice is so unique and cool that I'm surprised you're not doing more animation stuff because your voice. No, I really want to Yeah yeah, that sounds like the best one just in a booth, like cracking it up next episode. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because your voice is so unique. That's the one thing that was like, yeah, your voice would be like no one can do her voice, like she's the one has to do that voice. Yeah, thank you put me on Big Mouth. Yeah, I'll make a call Nick Nikroles on our show actually last season and I did his spin off of Big of HR. Oh yeah yeah, yeah, so I saw that too. You were great, thank you playing a spider in that. Maybe we should make a call. Can we get Nicol on the phone? Yeah, speaker FaceTime on the phone, Um, make a phone call. But yeah, I think voicever would be so good. That would be a lot of...

...fun. Okay, so you decided that things are for you because for whatever reason you thought you could see Yeah. Well, also, and I had two singing coaches be like you should go to an ear nose and throat doctor and check that out. They were like, did you have asthma as a kid? They were like, interesting, okay, you should see someone. Yes. And after that I was like, mmm, I don't think we need to pay for vocal lessons, mom. I think it's the lost coss. I don't know. I think you can always carry a tune, you know, yeah, carry tune. Yeah, you're going for a question. Okay, you can ask her right here because we can hear you. I don't want you to walk over there. I feel bad you grabbed that cane and I was like, no, no, miss please sit down. I will take the question right here. Yeah. Oh thank you. My family and we we watched a movie and hoe and then we met on two discuss it and I love that. And his family, my daughter and her family is still friends. Wonderful. What I love about it was how well writing was as kids that I'm a retired teacher. You sounded like kids, the three girls and what I didn't know whether this was ad lib or not, but oh my god, oh my god, you must have done a lot of that was ad lib. Yeah, that was all I heard. You sounded that way, and you did did a really good job. I wanted to thank you, give her hand, thank you very nice. Yeah, yeah whatever, Yeah, no, definitely, And I kind of just thought about like when I was fifteen and how I talked just so angsty and like everything is the biggest thing to ever happen right now. Yeah, um, but thank you. That means a lot. Yeah, I'm glad. I remember when you saw one of the previews, you like texted me and it was like, you look twelve. Great job I did. I was. I was in New York for the Disney upfronts and it was the first time ever they had released the footage of the preview and this was like months before and I saw the preview and they were only going to show it in this room and he couldn't videotaper obviously. I was watching it, and as soon as it was done, I like text her and I was like, oh my god, you looked like your twelve and so cool that like the opening scene where that the floor opens the special, but really well done, and that was just the sneak peak of the movie. So everyone got really excited in the room, you know, it was it was a big deal and you're part of this, like you know, you're part of history. Now you're part of hocus focus like history. That's you. Yeah, well, wouldn't you say it like that? It's a little scary because if you're gonna be part of history for a lot of things, you know, this is just the beginning of like many, many, many things. Uh. Speaking of improv, Uh, you're really good at improvis You ever taken the improv classes? Um? Well, I went to this uh performing art high school of public school, um, and we definitely had improv classes. And I think my favorite thing that like really loosened me up, like physically was a clown class. I don't know if you've ever taken a clown class. Yes, that really gets you. I mean you can't talk, and it's all like you make this character completely. Each clown is different. Um. So I really enjoyed that. I feel like that really helped me as an actor. And that really does prove you're good with comedy, that it can be inter national. You don't need a language for it. If you can actually...

...make someone laugh with your body movements, facial expression, you don't need to know the language because the language of comedy is just your body and face. So if you can you know, transcend that anywhere. That means you're actually really good at comedy. Oh my god, thank god doing it. Thank god you're doing it. Um. Okay, before we wrap up, because I know we're going to have the other half of the session, we're gonna talk about shadows and questions and all that. But before you go, I want to ask you, and I've asked everyone on the podcast, if you had a drink at nauseas that was catered to you, just you, what would it be called and what would it consist of? So it's a cocktail, it could be anything. You can make it up. What's your favorite cocktail? Or makeup on the spot, whatever you want to do. I didn't tell her I was going to ask this question. He did not, He did not. I think it would definitely be you know, you don't see the use of banana often enough UM in a drink, So I'd want something banana and a dacorie. But Nancy, okay, yeah that sounds good. Liqueur. Yeah, I feel like my friend already knows where I'm going with this. UM. But I think it would be Minion themed. Oh yes, you love misses. I love them and you um, and it would be Mannini Bellini. Yeah, that's perfectly you guys with that, let's say thank you to Belly. We're coming on the show. We have more fun. Um hi. Um. So Hocus Focus is like such an iconic property and series and a big part of a lot of people's childhoods. Um. I was wondering if there was any other s Rea's that you could, um, like iconic series that you could do a sequel to. What series would you pick? Oh, that's such a good question. Oh my gosh. Um, I really love and like on the theme of like horror. Um, bringing back Halloween Town would be really cool. But I'm sure a lot of us feel the same. Um. And you know they were married now the two co stars, so like bring them back. Maybe they have a baby. Who knows, Um, maybe the baby is like involved in the like Witchery, the Halloween Town stuff. Um. Yeah, that would be a cool one. I don't know that Disney would let me do that since I literally was just in Hocus Focus, but it would. A girl can dream never you never never know you're part of the Disney family. Yes, you know, we can use them all over. Good question, Thank you? Hello, Hello. I just wanted to say thank you first of all for the representation. You know, I'm just seeing brown people and like all of these like magical shows. I am such a big fan of like magic and things like that. Have you essentially asked my question already, but I was going to ask what for both of you? What is your favorite fall flavor? Are you a pumpkin spice? Are you an apple cider? Is there anything else? I can't think that's a really good one. Good? Yeah? Are you pumpkin spice? You know what? I think there's some stigma around pumpkin spice. All right, down to it. This is the time. Spice is great space, good flavor, good flavor. My sister and I we wait till the date comes out at Starbucks. Yeah at the door, Yeah, it's really good. I love pumpkin spice. Are you trying to camp out? Well? They should have it sooner, is what I'm saying. So when I'm at the door, knocking in the heaven open, going every day, you're yeah, where's the pumpkin spice? Where spice? You know? It's just anyways, the league, I can't talk about it, getting emotional, getting frustrated to talk about it because my lawyers...

...in the bag and telling you stop, and we haven't resolved everything, but I like pumpkin. I would say spice cider donuts if you guys like those donuts for fall. Those are so good and I feel like that's an East Coast thing, so when I'm in the East Coast, like, you'll get them in Boston, you get them in Salem, you'll get New York, and then you go to West Coast and it's like what like in l A. Like You're like, can I get a cider donut? They're like no, but we have a kombucha. What does that taste like? And it's like, we don't know. We don't try that, don't try them. We're in l A. I was like, okay, cool, but I like cider donuts and a pumpkin. Now I want one. Yeah, great questions, So sorry, that was really good. That was great. Yeah, hello, hello, hello. I did to think of a new question because, uh, the other person asked my question because it was amazing, And Halloween Town's my favorite Disney Halloween to be Hocus Focus is very close but so so fantastic. And I guess this is a good segue into the shadows section because I was wondering, um my my background question, um if since you're also a shadowsan, um if you have a favorite laslow slash matt very pronunciation of a word. Oh my god. I mean this quch is pretty like answering the question for her being like, oh my god, well there's this one. That one. I mean, I've used this over and over. What that? Um? I think again going back to my favorite episode of like, oh what that's the Dark Lord brought that? I think when I heard that line, I was like ten second rewind, ten second rewind. Yeah, that's a good. Thanks, pretty good, thank you. I love that question. You'll stick with the bat over and over. And the last season he did New York like Manhattan manh which actually little history about that Manhattan is a proper way to pronounce Manhattan that the natives pronounced. So he's actually pronouncing it the way he heard it the first time he came to America. What a detail. So man Manhattan is not how you pronounced Manhattan, it's Manahatta and he actually pronounces the way you're supposed to boom boom night drop fun fact. Um. Okay, so we wanted the question if you want to see up here and just answer questions with me. For shadow, Oh my god, we're gonna let her go inside, but having so much fun. Should we just have her stay with me? Right? Yeah? Okay, if you have a question for Shadows, lineup over here because we got sometime. Um. Yeah, Matt Barry and his like annunciation of things, like we were shooting yesterday, I was, I was shooting last night. Uh yeah. I literally came here from the airport, literally care from the ape. Yeah. I was shoot until two in the morning, and then I got to the airport at four thirty and then I got a six am flight and then I got here and here yeah New Yeah, New York Cities. Uh, I love it. I love it. Okay, question we're here either. Um. I think Garmo is actually one of the best characters recently. There's so much potential, um A, because of the he's gay, he wants he's a van healthing, he wants to be a vampire. Uh do you think, I know, you probably want to be uh you know, kind of pigeonholed with that character. But do you think there's like long term just so many possibilities with the character like for other series or books, or is there any do we see anything more with Germo? I mean I think that we kind of joked a little bit like season two, Cavan and I because we had so many scenes together and the fans have really responded to, like, you know, their dynamic together. And lucky for me that I get to work with Cavan, who's such you know, it's hard sometimes when you get to set and like you meet someone and hopefully you have chemistry, and when you do have chemistry, you're like, oh man,...

I'm so easy. You're just like I love it. Yeah, you get you know, like we were like I'm going back to Blue Beetle. Like you there's like sets and you're like I want to stay on this set for so long, you know, and there's some sets there like let's wrap it up. You know. It's like, but I would love for like, you know, spin off or something where we land with Guermo because we're picked up for season five and six. We're we're a quarter of the way done with season five already. We just we started, uh we do quarters, and we just finished the first quarter two days ago and we started the next quarter last night. Uh so we're all like one fourth of a weig done again. Um, but I don't know whether he's gonna land on season six because they don't tell me ahead of time. Like I actually thought that, you know, he would be doing the vun housing thing for only season two and then going back to like so he stayed with that through season four and then we saw I mean spoiler who hasn't seen season four finale? Okay, so I can talk about it, um, so you know, you can matters into his own hands. He's tired of waiting and he's tired of being pushed over, and that could be the best thing, and it goes to be the worst thing, you know, So we have to see what that outcome is and where he lands at the end of season five, and then where he lands at the end of season six. So for all I know, you know, who knows, you know, Like, it's like, I would love it. I would love it. I think a cartoon, animated series or a comic book would be so cool. I want to see that bad ass Ben heusing inside of him completely, you know, kick ass, so you could be blakee you know, I honestly video game, video game? Yeah, yeah, good question, thank you. Hello. Hello. First of all, I love seeing you hang out with Trixie and Katya so much. I would love Tom on what we do in the Shadows so bad. Um. But I wanted to know from this last season, what was your favorite like improv moment, because it seems like there was a lot of it, especially in the Colin Robinson going to School episode trying to get ahead. Um. So I was just wondering what that was for you this year. I mean, yeah, you nailed. I think that was probably are That was the simplest set episode, which it was just in a room and it was like a play because we did so many setups, you know, like it was like you're moving in out moving like you know, and your cues. Um. That was probably the funniest one to do because we were with the bear. The bear was married to Keevan or like Lazlow was with me, like I was holding his hand and then he like leaves and like I still pretend that he's my partner. Was like, baby, please don't go, you know, because it's like jokes like that that I didn't think we're gonna be picked up, and the actually picked him up and they edited that day. Was we shot that scene for like two days and then you see it for like, you know, eight minutes or nine and night. But um Man, with this group, improvising is just like you don't know what they're gonna say, you know, so you're always on your toes, like you're just like we call it playing hot potato, and no one ever drops the potato. Like every time they had to tell us to stop, they'll stop playing stop stop, because you'll keep going. We'll just keep going forever. In the season one, we did an improv that lasted like twenty two minutes, Like straight the whole show is twenty one twenty two minutes long, and so there was no way we could use all that improv. But it was so funny and it's still one of my fondest memories. Like uh, like Cavon coming in, or Nandor and Zo Guillermo Guillermo and he comes like, I'm in the room, Master and he's, oh, Guillam, Like I'm in the room, Guillama, and I was like, I'm in the room. Just come to the room and I exit and he comes into another door. He's Guillama, I'm in the room, and he was like this guy and he likes it. And then I come back in and I'm like, where did he go? And the nausea comes in. It's like us stupid, what are you looking for? You know? And I was like, oh, Nando, He's like he's in the other room and he excided into like and then last it comes in it what was gizmo though? You know? And it was like back and forth like forever and it was the funniest thing and you'll never see it. I was about to ask, the way is the footage for that? We don't show bloopers, they like keep them close in the vault. One day, I think they will. I got this close to showing them on the aftershow and we had...

...a like ready to go. We had set up the video and everything. We gotta approval, and at the last minute they were like, no, we can't show. I just don't show it. And I was like what would weah? Why? And then they're going to save it for like, you know, something special, or like say forever forever and never show it anyone. I'm hoping that's not the case, but I think they will show them eventually. But there's gonna be get ready, like you're gonna need a go weekend because there's so much footage, like a good question. Thank you. Hello, Hi him. I have a very serious question and it's been haunting my dreams and I think you're the only person that can really answer this. Um, what kind of sweater is best? I knew this day would come. I I'm really into a good sweater vest. Sweater vest right now, it's fall, it's fun, you know, Yeah, like a good sweater vest. Yeah, you've rocked a couple of sweater vests. Yeah, sweater y. Yeah. I think sweater vest. You're welcome. Yeah. I think that was like one of the hardest question I think, so I really kind of like took a second their height. Hi. My question is Harvey, Um, if you could switch places with anyone on Shadows, either cast or crew, who would you want to switch with? Oh? I love that you added crew in there. I know. I mean if I if I did one of each, if I did crew, I would love to do the boom guy because he just gets to hear everything. And like a part of me thinks that we're being spied on. We're not on set right because we're microphones are on our bodies the whole time, and so sometimes you'll be talking and we're like oh yeah, and then it was like oh wait, and then I heard you're like yeah literally, Also I heard that that doesn't work. I heard didn't work that that they can just hear it and it's like slightly faded. And then so when I ever like someone telling me the secrets, like did you hear about was like what? Oh yeah? When you go like yeah and then you see the boom guy in the corner like yeah, yeah, well, like I'm always afraid, Like when you go to the bathroom and it's like a big one and that's a big one. Yeah, yeah, not help, and then you come back, yeah taking it off. You come back and the boom guys just like looking at you weird. Yeah, you're like hey, what's up? Like, hey, you took a little wrong. Yeah, I would to the boom guy. That's fun character. I mean, I really do love playing Guillermo. I really do. And if I would switch it off, I don't know if I could pull it off. But I love when Nandor does his accent or in Cavan does Nander's accent because I try to do it and it's just so funny to me. So I would probably switch for a day, but not too long because it's so exhausting. Probably do that accent all the time. So yeah, the boom Guy would be number one. Yeah, thank you, hey, and I like your shirt. You were in the Gillarmo's Gyarmo shirts and the Guillarmo cosplay. Nice. Um. So my question was you both sort of broken superhero genre recently with Blue Beetle and Harvey as Nightwing and Harley Quinn. Um. But if you were to play super villain. Um, if you were to play a supervillain, what would your power be? Oh? You super if your villain? No, you go first? Oh gosh, okay, I mean I've always liked like telekinesis, you know, so I wanted to be like I guess i've been was was that Magneto? Yeah? I was about to say that's something like that, but I also want to have something else. I don't want to sound like greedy, but that's it, Like, you know, oh, well villain, what I do? I would have to ask some kind of like great laugh or cackle, you know, and maybe a cat you know, some kind of cat powers. That's kind of who I was going to say what I wanted to be like, because like he doesn't have powers, he's so evil...

...like and the pinky thing that yes, and the way he treats his son. Yeah, and also dude, mini me, Mini me has Okay, I think that answers that we're rebooting Austin Powers. Hello guys, um, I guess my question is is I mean, clearly Guiarmo's ride or die with the vampires. But if he was to get disillusion with the vampires, what other supernatural faction would he join in the city. M So if he did become a vampire, what other if he if he was to get disillusioned with the vampires, like he didn't want to become a vampire or anything, got it? Would he join the werewolves? Would he be become a which warlock? That's a good one. I don't know. I think he's he's like like he's committed to like I think he wants to be that so bad. But if he wasn't, I'd say lean into the van helsing, you know, like he's really naturally good at that. I think forget. Sometimes we're like, this is what makes my life so great and perfect. If I had this job and this is my partner and this is where I live in the house, and sometimes the universe is like, okay, sure, but you'd be really happy over here, you know. So sometimes you gotta let go of things. And I think at that point, if you didn't get what you wanted, I'd say, listen to the universe. Just yeah, listen to the universe. Yeah, all of us. Good question. Thank you. Time with your family, like you're literally there. I've ben seeing your mom in like fourteen years. Go spend time with your family. Cheese. Hi. Hello. First of all, I just wanted to say thank you because I think everything you're doing in Shadows and in your career is changing the industry for the better. Thank you. Like seeing you out there like openly queer and a person of color and of different body types. I think I wanted to be an actor for a really long time. I have a degree in it, and I at the end I was like, Elli is not for me. Someone like me, who looks like me is never going to do that. And to see you up there and being as successful as you are, it gives so many people hope as to what the industry can look like and what it should look like. Thank you. Yeah, you are an actor. You aren't are enough to be in Yeah, and I hope that this is just a reminder that I was exactly the same mindset that you had because of what Hollywood told us was you know that you're leading person look like, what your leading lady look like, what your heart throp look like, what your comedian look like. And you've got to stop listening to those voices because we're the ones who go and watch a movie in theaters. We're the ones who want to be represented on screen. You know, if being a person of size, uh makes Hollywood like shriek and it's like, what are you talking about? You know, most of America is average that you know what I mean, And it's just like, where is this coming from? So you've got to change the narrative. And so I took that leap because for so long there wasn't anyone who looked like me on television. And so if you don't see yourself represented, then become the first. Yeah, and now for my silly question, Shadows has had so many interesting mythological creature show up, Sirens, the Jersey Devil. If you could have any mythical creature show up, what would you want it to be? Oh? Well, I do like sirens and the siren we had was half chicken, So I would like a mermaid siren. I'm not gonna lie. I'm a big fan of mermaids so when I read that on the script, I was like, oh, siren, and I automatically assumed how presumptuous of me. And I'm just like sirens, so like a mermaid Like, No, the different kind of siren, A singing siren whose bottom half his chicken legs. So I would say aside, like a mermaid siren. That sounds cool here that whoever seem to shadows right now? Thank you? And revisit acting you visited? Yeah, do it right, guys? Yeah? We hi.

So um, this season, Guillermo comes out to his family, and I was wondering, uh, kind of how that felt like for you playing that scene and and kind of preparing for it. Yeah, that's a good question. So it was kind of it was. It was weird because it felt so close to home, like it was therapeutic in a way, but it was also like triggering because you're in that moment and and telling you know, you have to remember the reason that Guiermo came out, it's because he's had this like lie on his shoulders, not only about his sexuality, but that he worked at the at the rail you know, the railroad that he worked at, got a promotion from Panera, that he works that he owns. This match in the Nausea is his girlfriend. Like the lies, the lies, the lies, they keep piling on on him, and that's a that's a heavy weight, you know, to carry on your back. And I think what was the last straw was that his chosen family, which is Nausea, and his biological family were about to destroy each other, and he got in the middle of both of them, his chosen family protecting Nasea and also protecting his mom and his aunt and grandma and his cousin, all of his family. Just because that was the last straw, he couldn't take it anymore. So he was made to like say, he's like, and I don't and I want to be a vampire. I live because I want to be a vampire and not just not my girlfriend because I'm gay, you know, just saying it was just the last like breath of like, you know, and that silence of like. And it felt so emotional to me because being a queer person and having my own coming out story, I know that what we reflected on screen, Um was really lovely that the family was accepting, and I was like, you know, if the my family was accepting, who But that's not always the case. And so for me it was more pretty myself in his shoes fearing that they wouldn't accept him, and that fear um like petrified and like and thinking back, it was just like where I got more emotional and teary eyed because it was like, what if they don't accept me? You know. And then we lighten it up with a joke, which was you want to be a vampire, you know, and they don't care about the gay part. They're like, we don't care about that. You want to be a vampire? You know. That was the and that's where we landed, and we were still making a comedy but with the really cool, you know message, and it was just nice to to tell that story, especially from a Latino family point of view, because it's not always the same, you know, for everyone, but it's not always the case that it's really welcoming, and maybe by leaning by example, you know, it would have been nice to like, if someone sees that and says, I think my son's gay, Well, these comedy things it's all right, you know what I mean, It's just like then I guess it's okay to be good, you know. Um, So hopefully that's the case. But it was very kind of therapeutic. Yeah, and it brought me back to my own story. So good question, Thank you, thank you, nix Hi hi. Um. So you do so well on Shadows, but you did like such a good job, as did Grayson on Harley Quinn. Um, So, how did you prepare for that? So, like, did you read the comics or watch anything to prepare? Well? No, I've been such a fan of Batman, like for years, and the idea that they asked me to read for him, like to play you know, did Grayson night Wing? Um, I kind of took the idea that he was, you know, basically Batman's apprentice or Bruce Wayne, and and he mimicked him, and he would idolize him. And so the way that I chose a voice for him was that he grew up watching this guy. He wanted to be Batman, he wanted to be at his level. So he has like a little bit of you know, Bruce Wayne, Like you know, his voice is down here, you know, it's just like lower Um, I think it's just a route, you know, about the right amount...

...of serious. You know. So his voice is lower because he wants to be taken serious. He doesn't want to be a joke. And then when he does let go of that persona, we get to see the real Dick Rayson, which is sometimes kind of loud and flamboyant. And he was like, I'm gonna kill myself. You know. It's just like ideas, like that's his real voice, that's his voice. But then when he's putting on this like I want to be taking I want to be taken serious, you know, it's like he goes down in active. So he goes lower because he wants to be taken serious. And that's the only one he gets respect because if people hear him in his real voice the whole time, people are like, I'm taken serious, you know. So that's how I prepared for Dick Grayson. And luckily the you know, the showrunner, and everyone loved it and and we were back for another season. It's that another season and more Dick Rayson coming your way. Yeah, thank you, thank you. Hello hi there. Um. First off, like someone else mentioned, thank you for creating a whole new arc type of action hero. It's awesome just to have that. Thank you so Uh the question I had is, uh, this past season there was an episode that I thought was just gonna be a bit for about five minutes and then you guys went whole hog on the go Flip Yourself episode. Oh my god, what was that line reading? Like table reading? Like what did you do when you found out? You know, we're doing a whole episode of that? I mean, if you notice we sprinkled it in early on you thought you were watching a commercial for an HDTV like that was actually our footage and it was a scar brothers who are so funny. It was these twins who were comedian. You know, they're so great, right, you guys have their own podcast coming out. They're so funny. And that has to be one of my favorite episodes last season because from beginning to end it is ridiculous. We actually got like the same people who work on those two TV shows like to do like you know, the idea behind it and if you listen to the voice, to hear the voice and they're like stan Island is a cozy place where you can live, like that's the boy. And so it made it looks so real, like it felt so real and and no spoilers, but like at the end with Nick Kroll, like I couldn't when I read it, I was like, are you kidding me? Like this is genius, Like it's so funny, and to set up a joke that in an episode that much, and then we killed Toby, like Toby dies and there's a person and it's like, so Toby wasn't real. No, that was a real man. He was a family, he has kids, and you're like, oh my god, you know this is like the tragedy and put tragedy and then just to get the curse witch hat like it's insane. There it was like here the curse wh my gosh, it's literally insane, and that just goes. That's just the credit to our writers and how brilliant they are that that was like who thinks of that? You know what I mean? And we thought it was a one time gag, but it kept going from every episode a little sprinkle and it's one of my favorites. So yeah, great question, perfect episode, Thank you. Hello. Hi. Okay, When you finally become a empire, who would you pick from the current cast to be you're familiar. Oh wait, do they lose like they're like anyone from the cast. Yeah? Well okay, like from the current vampires that live in the mansion. Okay. Oh, I think I would make like someone who you releast expected, like Laslow because he's so he's so like hoity toity, you know that. I would love to see him pick up laundree, you know, and like, you know, like in season one when he's like, Gizmo, how the deil does you know? Why don't you go try them? Laslow? You go try them? Yeah? I would love to like just bostom around like Laslo would be the funny to boss around. I don't know if you would do it, but he would be uh, you know, like to familiar. Yeah, I'll do it. That's a good one. Another question, sure, okay, when you become a vampire, what would be your catchphrase? Like Laslow has like bad, like what would be yours? I think that maybe he would have his own version of bad, but it wouldn't be as dramatic. Maybe you're like bad, it was just like...

...trying to take flight, you know, or a higher pitch bad. I don't know. Maybe another catcher would be good. It would be a good catchers for Guillermo if he's a if he's a vampire, to take flight, like maybe in Spanish like yeah, wello you know, yeah yeah that's a good one. I could just see him being like here we go here, yeah, okay, we'll go with that one. Thank you. Oh Guillermo and Nandal Hello, um so um. What was like your favorite moment from like filming this past season this past season, probably filming the baby Colin Robinson trying to get into school with the head um, the head of the school there, and it was just funny to do brain scrambles on him. Um. Also the Scar Brothers was really fun. And I'd say my favorite favorite though would be the action stuff and the hern which is the night market scene. So that was like a mini movie and we had like fairies and we had a sword fighting and I fall over and then do stunts, so that one was really fun to do. I think that one was like a mini movie and it was just action packed, So I think that was my favorite one at the night Market. Can ask a second question, sum if you had to pick like one episode either that like was fun to film or just that you enjoy watching back like, do you have a favorite episode out of the entire series. Oh, that's tough because that's like four seasons of stuff. I think this last season, the one that touches my heart the most is the coming out episode of Guillermo. So aside from the action stuff, which is fun to do and entertaining and visually stimulating, you know, um, stuff, when it has heart like that really does feel good to do, you know. So it feels nice to have that in the middle of a comedy. Remember making a comedy out of vampires, and in the middle of all that, we got this human being who came out, you know, which is really nice and sweet and um. And I had so many people come up to me at cons and saying, you know, Giarma's bravery and finally coming out shows you that there's no expiration date, you know, there's no like taking you know, clock and time Bomb says you must come out before and it's like, when the time is right, it's right and if you feel like doing it, you're doing it. If you don't, you don't. So hopefully that's the message. But yeah, thank you all the costumes. How did they how did they feel? Baby calling? Robinson liked there was we had like a toddler, we had like an infant, and we had like a grade school and then we had like a teenager and so basically we just shot with them. We never saw Mark on set. He that's crazy. So we would act with the one who dances. It was actually she dances. She's the lead and sessing me street. Yeah. So if you her name is Violet and if you uh, she's so talented, beautiful golden curls Violet. That's baby Colin Ronson. So when we call Ross is dancing and so like hey, no olden days and tap and like that's really them because they're phenomenal like Broadway singer and dancer. We got the best of the best, and then we cover their face. I was gonna say, like it, but they could see I had like we actually recorded them with that nothing in their faces but literally like dots where we would put the CG and stuff. But like they I felt so bad because they're doing this amazing performance and we're all clapping for them and they're gonna be like I'm gonna be on what we do in the shadows and then imagine the training on the TV and they're like what and they're just like Mark's face, my body is sure it is take her away. Boys just like no. But yeah, I felt so bad for the kids because they were like so excited and and the one that I had in the when we're in the basement and it's flooding in the water like we're like up to like knees. I was worried...

...because the water was up to like you know, the child's like like body and so like I have to pick them up and uh. And I found out that day to that child actor. It was the first day acting never and so I was like, oh, when they're like so yeah, so he's a little fussy and I was like okay, and he has to have a hammer and he's swinging the hammer around. I was like, oh, oh my god, Oh this is great. The hammer is like you know, phony and whatnot. But still he's like swinging it. But he went for it, and I was like, he loves what he's doing, you know. It was just like he's going to be a great actor because he hits me with a hammer. So great question. Next question, Hi, thanks for being here. Um So Gamo is my favorite, and poor Giamo ends up in the most unfortunate circumstances all the time, like Barry's Dead Bodies Good shipped to London in a box. And my favorite was gets into a familiar fight. So what has your what's your favorite unfortunate Gallarmo circumstance, either to film or just that you think is funny. Probably the familiar fight. I think that one of those moments where he didn't want to fight at all, like he's being pushed to fight, and then he beats all the familiars and then he gets somehow involved fighting his master, and it's like, how did he get in these situations? It's most of the time, honestly, it's Nander like Nander, He like volunteers and he's like, no for me, looking kig, Yeah, familiars as you know, and it's like stop saying stuff like that, you know. So yeah, I would say that the familiar fight. Can I say a quick second question? Sure? When you read four Gear, had you watched the Shadows movie before that? I had not a movie at all, and I'm glad I didn't because it was so good that I would have been psyched. So I think we have to wrap it up now because the things we're closing it up, so they're telling me wrap it up? So really, what was your ask question? Thank you, thank you. There's a there's a scene in episode two when you get on top of a coffin, you know, plunge and then you do a plug. Yeah that was on the script. That not in on the script, that was outb are you, Julie. Yeah, we grew up watching like Glue, Tell You and stuff. So I threw that in and they let it in. So it was brilliant. I saw that. I was like, that's a Mexican plod, American fadi. Thank you so much, Billy, Thank you so much for being my guest. Thank you all you for coming out, and I hope you have a wonderful We got a comic on don't forget to watch all episodes Behind the Shadows on your favorite Please to listen to all your podcast have a good night. Behind the Shadows is a production of straw Hut Media, hosted by Harvey Gian, produced by Ryan Tillotson, Amda Sanchez and Tyler Nielsen. Original music by Trevor Bumgar and Chris Hendricks. Vocals by Maggie Glass. If you don't already subscribe wherever you're listening, and make sure to follow Behind the Shadows podcast on Instagram for more behind the scenes content, and tune in live every Thursday at one pm Pacific on the what we Do in the Shadows subreddit for an a m A with Harvey and special guests. So Death might have a reputation before she arrives, but trust me, we have way more fun on the appline. We have way more fun on the appline. See you next week.

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