Behind the Shadows w/ Harvey Guillen
Behind the Shadows w/ Harvey Guillen

Season 4, Episode · 2 months ago

Freddie w/ Al Roberts

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Welcome to another episode of Behind the Shadows—the podcast where we talk all things shadows with cast, crew, and celebrity guests. I'm your host, Harvey Guillen, AKA Guillermo de la Cruz. Today's guest is the one, the only, first love interest to Guillermo de la Cruz. It's Al Roberts. We find out which of us played a wickedly talented wizard in a Japanese production of Wicked. And we find out who else in the cast he's played a love interest to. Ooh, shame.

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Straw media. M welcome to another episode of behind the shadows, the podcast where we talk all things shadows with cast, crew and so Leberty Gas, I'm your host, Harvegi and hed La Cruz. Today's guest is the one, the only, first love interest to kid La Cruz. It's our robberts. We find out which one of US played a wickedly talented wizard in a Japanese production of wicked, and we find out who else in the cast he's played a love interest to shame breathing its sowhelming hat bizarre has so tell me you, why would anyone want to be alive? Deaf my hair reputation before she arrives? But Trust me, we have way more fun in the after life we have. We're so excited to have you on the show because people have been asking who you are, where have you been, how did this happen? All of these things, and this week's episode, uh, is one of my favorite, just because it's so great to see what happened while Giermo was away in London and she got to meet Um, your character and and well, why don't you tell us? How did you come across a playing here? was first and only love interest. Yes, wow. Well, thank you so much for having me. Firstly, Um, yeah, I mean I I it was a whirlwind, you know. I mean I got the audition so excited, you know, firstly because I've been a fan of the show since the beginning, and then to get this audition, it was just like wow, read the script, you know, it was one of those where you feel you kind of feel on a wavelength with the writer. Maybe, I mean maybe you're just a sort of deluded actor, but you know, I felt like wow, I can kind of see, maybe you know that the vision of what Freddy is and who he is and you know, did the tape and then you send it in and then, I don't know about you, but you know, you try your hardest to forget it ever existed because so often, you know, you get you get sort of let down or whatever, or you know, it doesn't always work out. Um, and I found that very hard to do with this tape because I was so excited. And then, you know, I think a week to the day that I sent the tape in, I saw my agent calling, and she only calls when it's good news and I just had a feeling. I was like Oh my God, you know, I could be begun to Toronto, and that's what happened and then it was and then just suddenly a scrap because I was on holiday at the time. It was a scramble back to London and then, as you know, over to to I mean it was crazy, like I think I spent like five nights and five,...

...five different cities. I was an international man of mystery for a for a small period of time and then, yeah, about a week and a half filming and Har Yeah, it was just it was just a dream. It was just a dream and I've never been in a show where, uh, you know, I knew the show beforehand. I was a fan of the show beforehand. So it's that thing of like popping up in your own television screen. You know, it was, it was, it was, it was crazy, but I was just sort of pinching myself the whole way through. Amazing. That's so cool, because it's great. You were on holiday, you were you, where were you? Spain, you were, I was in I was in France. So I can give you this this this crazy five city itinery. So yes, so it went from bone to Leon to Paris to London to Toronto and it was, you know, covid reasons as well, and it was all sort of trains and it was all it was all incredibly exciting and, you know, on the trains I was listening to the theme music, you know, Durn, Durn, Durn, and that, you know, is that kind of like Oh, yeah, you know, it's it's one of those moments where you just, you know, you can't believe it. It was yet. So it's so incredibly exciting. Um, yeah, you got to set. Did you walk around and UH and and say like Oh, there's that, like, you know, I know if I were to go on set of something that I've watched so you know, and I'm a fan of I would easily have done that. I've gone to sets around like that's the you know, you put things together and like that's the scene where that took place, where this is the scene where, you know, Natasha's character or Cavan's character. Did like, you know, did you walk around the seting and look around and become like a little museum? Totally? I mean some slight context. Is that the day that that that that the director Dju showed me around, which he didn't need to do, by the way. Probably had a million things to do. So so nice of him. Um, I was my big plan and was to was to I was like I was a kind of vampire, you know, of my own of my own making, because I tried not to sleep on the plane and the big idea was to sleep when I got to my accommodation. And problem is, I didn't sleep when I got to my accommodation. So I've been about, you know, kind of fifty hours without without sleep. So so, yeah, it really I was very excited, but it felt it felt like a dream. I've I've got to be honest with you. And and the sets are so amazing that it kind of feels like real life, you know, like Um yeah, to be in that in that fancy room, and it feels kind of even bigger in real life than it seems on screen. And you notice the level of detail, like there's a there's a stuffed animal sort of staring at you from every single corner of you know, the more you look, the more you find. Um, yeah, just just incredibly exciting and little things you don't kind of anticipate, you know, like I assumed it was one house, but of course, you know, you have the interior and then you have the exterior, which is...

...which is separate. You know, Um, little things like that kind of blew my mind a little, even though, had I thought about it, that probably would have been, you know, the case. But but but yeah, no, it's it's crazy. The backstory to UH Guillermo and your character meeting. How do you think they met? And walked me through me what backs where you gave your character and how they actually met. Well, Freddie is such an interesting guy and and and well, he obviously, you know, get I'm such an incredible character. And Yeah, so I thought, I think you mentioned that that that that we met on the tube, like the subway in in London. So so I guess that's the context. Yeah, that was that was my back story. I was like, Oh, I see, but I guess, I guess. Yeah, I I kind of see Freddie. You know, he's he's a he's a romantic guy. I think he's there's a sort of timeless quality to him. You could sort of see him existing and all sorts of different kind of centuries or whatever. And you know, he works for Southern Beas. He's he's you know, he this this this antique dealer I think he would have done something romantic, you know, straight from the off. They would have had this conversation on the tube and he's he's a kind of Bond Vivoor, I think. You know, he's a he's a he's a kind of uh, you know, it would be like come, come, let's let's, let's, let's, let's have a drink, you know, kind of thing. I I think. I think that that side of him felt felt pretty pretty strong. I mean, yeah, how how about you? Did you ever? Did you ever think about what those first moments would have been like? Yeah, I thought it was like, you know, kind of align with what you're saying as well. Like maybe like he went to you know the antique you know, southern Beaus or something to like maybe he's fond of of old artifacts and stuff that he used to have at the house, wouldn't the door and whatnot or like, and so maybe he was at southern Bea's just looking around and then like you happened to be there and I was like Oh, and then he must have felt really comfortable Um with him to like completely take him up on the offer, or vice versa. I think. I think it would have been Freddie who asked Guillermo, because I was like what, do you have the guts to do it, because he's been so you know, kind of uh in the closet for for lack of a better word, you know, and I don't think he was as um as strong or as courageous to take that first sleep. I think so. I think maybe it was Freddie who kind of helped him kind of come out of this, you know, cocoon or metamorphosis into a new version of Guillermo, that you just see that extra push. I think so, maybe it was that. I think for me that was like that was that was a sweeter way of saying, uh, yeah, he just found the right person at the right time and it all worked out and and Um, unfortunately for uh, for Guanimo,...

...it doesn't work out well this episode for him, because he brings him, he brings him back, you know. And also, I gotta imagine they've probably been dating for a couple of months. I'd say he met him early on in the trip. He's been in London for a year. Probably probably met Freddie like two months in three months, in kind of enough time, you know, to really develop feelings for someone and to really kind of become connected to Freddie and and then bring him, uh, to introduce him into the household. You surprise him, you know, when you come home and or you come to his door and you like surprised, I got Yourr you know, your addressed from the Post. I'm sorry, mail. You know that, like he shows up and kind of like uh, wow's Nandor and nandrew makes a copy of you, makes Marwa into a copy of you or the character, and that's so heartbreaking because it's like it's you know that can in the playground and see someone else with a brand new, you know, ball or toy and they just can't let them play, you know, just have themselves. They have to also have it themselves. You know. Yeah, I mean it's it's reading it back. I mean like it. It is a it is crazy. I mean it's one of the most momentous and, you know, sort of destructive things that that Nandor has has done, I think, up to this point. Like it's a huge decision and it has such ramifications, of course, for for for Freddie and for Marwa Um and and for for for GMO. Of course, like you know this, this is such an important moment. Uh, and and it's so it's so sort of tragic in a way, and that's I think. You know, one of the amazing things about the episode is that, the highs and the lows, it just comes at you so, so fast. And Yeah, it was really exciting to to to tell that story, because it's quite a story. Like it. It goes off in all sorts of amazing and interesting directions and you know, I get that. I I sort of understand that. There's been, you know, understandably, some speculation as to what this episode is going to look like. I can't imagine anyone really predicting all the beats because it is, you know, you know, imaginative in the in the extreme. Like it looks fantastic, it looks so good. And also, you know, you have to play two different versions, you know, one obviously Freddie and one Freddie filtered through Marwa, and so Freddie Point too. How is that, playing yourself into a character, two different characters in the same scene? Yeah, well, first of all I want to pay a huge tribute to the actor Kevin Claydon, who paid my or Freddie's body double, who was unbelievable like he was. So you know, you you don't see him in the show, but he's constantly, you know, mapping what I'd done in previous take and he was so generous and he see such...

...an amazing actor, you know, in his own right, and to do this, you know, with my face kind of put onto his like I really, I really. Yeah, I really felt for him. He did an unbelievable job and I was so grateful for his generosity and his you know, how thorough he was, and he's such a lovely guy as well. So, yeah, that the performances is me and here. And Yeah, I mean you know, you know that there were sometimes when I had to sort of take a step back because he was dressed like me. He's kind of a similar sort of heightened and build to me, and you know, it could be easy, I'd have to really sort of you know, I could be very easy to have a sort of out of body experience, like staring at a version of myself kind of doing exactly what I've done kind of forty seconds ago in the previous take. Um, but so fun, like like so fun complete sort of playtime. And Yeah, yeah, from from yeah, it looks incredible. Yeah, I honestly don't. We got to go see wicket, the musical. In the story we get to I'm wearing my wicket shot, if you can see it, but I'm wearing my wickt in honor of our yeah, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the it's like I think it's The New York version, but you you, you were in a production of it right for for for ages, weren't you? or I I was. No, no, no. So I had to learn the track for the wizard when I was in Japan and I had to learn the wizard's part in Japanese. So I was there doing another show and I was doing like two musicals and then that one. I had to like learn it just in case. and which is so funny because this was pretty fresh out of Uh College and Pretty Young, and I was just like what, and they're like yeah, we're gonna make you be the ship for the wizard, and I was like what, I'm twenty two, it's like, and they're like with the White Wig, and then you know that they had cast some one who was who body body wise, I was pretty close to it was like there were shorter stout and they just put a wig on them. So it kind of made sense, I guess, probably just a production to save money on the costume or something, but I actually learned the wizard song in Japanese and and to this day I can't hear sentimental man without going into into Japanese version of it. So, you know, I know it's it's crazy. It's just like it goes on to I'm got JIB. I don't how much I can say. I don't know. LE's incredible. Wow. So that was kind of fun and Full Circle. My first show ever as a series regular was created by Um Savannah Juley and Winnie Holzman. Winnie Holsman, who who was the writer for the script with on wicked and also wrote my so called life, which we just had a poster of in a previous episode where, uh, you know, we're trying to get called into a really good school and they come to visit us the night foot poster...

...of my so called life and also it stays up there during my visit with my family comes to visit into town, and so we've had when he holds in projects on her show, my so called life, we've had wicked and she actually is a fan of the show. She's actually a really big fan of the show. So she worked out perfectly. Yeah, and then she just said, does she know there were these Easter eggs everywhere for her, for her to kind of spot her? Yeah, she does now and she is a fan. She's been a fan since day one and her and her and her husband Paul Dooley, who absolutely love, are both the whole family is so they text me like every season and they're like, we're loving this season, and when he has the sweetest boy she's like, I can't imagine her text going, I'm just loving this season so much. You're just like the sweetest and and for us to do this important episode with him having a boyfriend, Guillermo going us to see wicked, it's just like in being. You know that I was in Japan and I got to work with Winnie, like it's like full circle. It's kind of this cool yea, yeah, it's just I love it. Did you did you get to have anything? Did you keep anything from from filming with us, or was there anything that you would have wanted to keep from films? I mean, I mean I loved the costumes, like yeah, yeah, yeah, Laura Montgomery, is that the costumer designer? Oh my God, yeah, first day again and emmy this year. Oh, yeah, I mean so well, so well deserved. I mean, yeah, that that just just this sort of parade of extraordinary stuff, really beautiful coats, so that that, you know, that the likes of which I've never worn, and even down to the shoes, like I just she, she, she, yeah, I could feel myself sort of transforming into Freddie and she said that she knew when when it was good, when I sort of like adopted his sort of body language and just sort of, you know, a confident kind of way of being. As soon as she put it on. It was. It was just, it's just extraordinary to any of those items of clothing. I'd I'd like to take, though I didn't. I didn't take any of those. I don't think that was that was even. He was even on offer. Quite rightly. That's not how it works, is it? But words else, I mean other other things. I mean that that rug in the in the fancy room. I got a chance to lie down on that. That is a comfortable rug. Again, probably couldn't just be nicking that and taking that to customs in London, but I wouldn't mind. I wouldn't mind. I wouldn't mind taking that from my from my front room. That's that's for sure. Yeah, I mean anything else. Yeah, well, you you got to work with with Cavan and a lot in this episode. How was that?...

Have you worked with you before? I I have. Yeah, it was actually, and I was thinking about this, it was the first job that I ever did and it was about ten years ago and Cavan took a real chance on me. It was a pilot that that that that didn't get made in the end, but you know, talk about full circle, like ten years on and you know, it felt amazing. He's still just as sort of kind and supportive. I'm ten years older. Hopefully I wasn't quite a sort of nervous, a young strickling as I was back in or whenever it was. So yeah, he was. He was so lovely and he even got me a little gift, which was because we were talking about the cocktails they do in Toronto. There's a there's a special like signature cocktails, a type of bloody Mary, I think, Um, and he got he he gave me the little kind of Caesar at it with with like clown juice, I think, in it right. It's it's it's it's really nice. It's really tasty. But he got me the little flakes that you put around the rim of the glass, because we've just been talking about it. I found it in my trailer. I was like, Hey, Lon, this is the swing. I'm going to start crying here. This is the sweetest thing I've ever seen in my life. I mean, I haven't used them yet. You know, it's quite a specific Um, so I haven't had a chance to use it like a tin, like season. Yeah, that's it. That's it. Yeah, and it's it's you know, as soon as I have the confidence to make a Toronto, you know, Caesar Cup, I'm going to crack it up, but it's the thought that counts, right, and it was. He was so, so lovely and of course you, you know, when I met you in the in the costume when we were trying on our costumes, you were so lovely and supportive. Everyone was so friendly and you know, as you know, it's as soon as that. Well, it makes such a difference, doesn't it? You feel like you can relax and play and have fun and, yeah, it's such a wonderful atmosphere on set, but you're basically now part of the you know, you've worked with the cast before the Cavan but you've actually played a love interest to two of the main characters in this show. You've paid a love interest to Natasha Dmitri's character, and so in her brother's show, stathlets flats, you've played uh Natasha's love interests and now you played Garmos of interest. So I feel like this is like a real world kind of I'm working through the main cast. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know it's sort of picture. Well, in sort of picture right here of Natasha in love with your character and stathlets flats, and then in comparison to you and Guillemo, well, there's a few similar larities. You know, I have to say with between now and UH and and Freddie, I mean Freddy is is way more confident. That's that's that's that's one thing. I'd say he's more confident than than me, I mean, but but yeah, no, it's it's it's...

...amazing to have had that connection and Tash, of course, was so wonderful. She let me use her trailer, which was which was, which was very much appreciated. Um, yeah, that was one of the things that that I was really excited about. was was was seeing her as well, and seeing her in her element, because you guys have kind of stolen her from from us, like as soon as we did staff. Let's that she was casting what we do in the shadows, and she's been in Toronto all this time. You know, I barely see her and and lockdown hasn't helped as well. So, yeah, it was lovely to see her in her element and see, you know, and and and hang out with her in Toronto. Yeah, what a difference, right, just like that character and, you know, its own right, iconic look and all, and then the Natasha character in shadows just completely different, just with this garments and petticoats and course it's and I don't think she gets enough credit for for this, like it's extraordinary. And you know what I mean. With with like they say, with comic characters, you have, with comic actors, you have like your own right, you have one sort of clown that you're sort of best at, and the idea that tashed within a year was cast in two shows where she played. Not only are they different, but they're like complete polar opposites. Like you know, Najo is cruel and sort of Sassy and and well, make that Sassy not a good word, but you know, cruel and and you know she she has so much sort of power to her and Sophie is the sweetest hearted person in the world. I mean they're both sort of vaguely related to Greece, albeit like separated by hundreds of years. But but, but, yeah, I mean it's, it's it's just extraordinary and she's got to show out in the UK, which I don't believe has come to the US, m called Eli and the task it, which is her sketch show which she's written, and it's just the the absolute best and I can't wait for for people to to see it because this, you know, she shows even more, you know, variety and and just just yeah, but that it's, it's it's scary. Really. I'm actually sounded like I'm sounding about my character in south lest class, but it's it's scary the talent she has that that's kind of exactly what my character would say, but it's true, absolutely, absolutely. And well, we shot in Toronto and you were there for the middle of I think it was the beginning to fall into winter. Is there anything in Toronto that really stood out to you as visiting for the first time? Was that your first time in Toronto, absolutely first time in Canada. Um, I had a great time. I mean I think I had a day off, so I'm not gonna come across as a as an expert, but Oh, I lovely slept that day off. You're like, I'm going to sleep, but yeah, that's that's probably true. Actually, but it's it's such a UH, it's it's this is gonna sound critical, but it isn't. It's like the city was built by algorithm, like it's almost so perfect, like it's so clean, it's so sort of easy to navigate. You know, it's all sort of grids and people...

...are so incredibly friendly and people seem very happy and it's, yeah, like, you know, London is is a kind of like you know that you've you've, you've you've been right. It's sort of trying to keep this global city, even though it was built in eighteen fifty largely, and it's sort of all over the place a little bit. But, but, but Toronto is just so sort of, you know, I felt like a sort of city from from the future a little bit, and I yeah, I was really, really impressed. Uh, I had a great time there and people so friendly like, yeah, yeah, I've never been anywhere like that, but people are just like everyone you meet is just like so striking up conversations left, right and center, and that's not really the vibe in in London, to be fair, it's not. No, no, I mean we're famously like you're on the tubers, I've said, no one says a single thing to each other. If anyone speaks, you know, it's just like what on earth is your problem going to think, which is I don't know if that's say that. I will say that I love shooting in Canada and Toronto. They're they're very welcoming, very friendly. Love shooting there. Love our crew, who's majority from Toronto or from Canada, from around Canada. But you know, we've we've kind of taken several Brits over and brought them over and made them Torontonians in a way. So it was lovely to have you obviously come and visit us. If you think Giermo UH and Freddie would have continued a relationship, where do you think they would have settled or where would they have traveled next? What do you think? Oh, that's interesting, that is interesting. Why would they have gone? Because they you know, across the pond. One of them lives in the US now and the other one. So what would that look like? Yeah, well, I you know, I I get the sense that. Well, it's interesting. I guess it depends how sort of settled they were in in London right and and maybe it was just a case if they could have gone back, maybe they had a really nice sort of thing going there. I know that, you know Freddie, Freddy, is an interesting character and that he's you know, he's he's very sort of sweethearted, he's very confident. He's also a bit of a Dork. Like you know, he loves history and art and architecture and seems to have a kind of encyclopedic knowledge of that. So I could see him, you know, much in the way that naneal wanted to to travel the world. I can see Freddie, you know, suggesting to Guianmo, you know, hey, let's let's let's go to to Rome and to Cairo and to, you know, see all these things. I can I can see that. I can see that happening. I think Freddie's always, you know, he wants to experience the world. I think. I think so too. We have I'm so sad. I'm so sad that it didn't work out. A part of me thinks that if general wouldn't have allowed...

Freddie into the house, that he probably would have been able to keep it a secret for a little bit longer. I guess, as the tuition was right to keep it a secret from the house because he probably had a foreboding feeling that something terror both was going to happen and if you actually got to meet the housemates, and it did, and true fashion to good comedy writing, you know, we set it up where we heard your voice throughout. People have been wondering, you know. I know that the show Um as an air at BBC two yet, but people in the states are going crazy and finally discovered who you are this week on the show, and it's you're you're like the mystery man. You're international mystery man, and now everyone's obsessed with Freddie and and UH and who he is, what you know, where he comes from. So, for all the fans who have been looking forward to meeting you this season on the show, what would you like to tell them? Oh Wow, oh wow. Well, well, look, I mean to to an next sent it's it's it's kind of a serious answer because, you know, this has been such an amazing story line for for for Guienno, you know, just discovering things about himself and finding his his his finding who he is, and that extraordinary moment in in in Pine barrens where, you know, he let his parents into to his sexuality. And so so, you know, it's it's it's almost a culmination, that sort of crescendo of of of of that amazing storyline. So that's that's a huge, a huge honor. I feel very lucky to to to be a part of that. Um. As to who I am, well, you know, I mean it's well, I guess it's who Freddie is. You know, Freddie is is just a very h sweethearted guy. I I think, and you know, I really wanted to to to to to get across because, you know, as a fan, like all fans, are desperate for for for guermo to to have h you know, he has so much love to give, you know, and and it's it's it's wonderful, you know, for even those sort of fleeting moments at the beginning of the episode for there to be a moment where you know he's loved and and and loved in in in he loves and his loved in return, you know, and and so. So, yeah, I really wanted to to try and get that, that moment across because it felt, you know, as a fan, it's it's it's sort of a huge relief because he doesn't get the you know, he gives so much and and often doesn't get quite quite as much back. You know. Yeah, I think that really did come across and that resonated with the fans that Um, that you know, Freddie, you know, does care, did care for Guermo and guermo cared, obviously, Freddie, and it just didn't work out. You know, sometimes that's just the case. You know, you might be in love or infatuated with someone and think it's you know, this is the end game, but it doesn't work out, you know, and that's okay because it leaves you open, and hopefully you're open to future love and future you know. You know, you're not closed off to future possibilities and I think this was a good first time experience for guertimore Um, kind a lesson to learn, you know. So I...

...think Guillermo needed Freddie and and Freddie was a great contribution to his UH, coming to his own so, uh. So I'm sure Gillermo thanks Freddie for even though it didn't end up well, and he thanks him. Thanks for thanks for the memories. I'm gonna Quote Abba, and thanks for the music. Thanks for the but we were asking our guests because this uh, this season, obviously NASEA has a nightclub, Naja's, and we're asking our guests on the show if you in your character. So if you as uh as Freddie, had a drink at Naja's, what would that drink be called and what would it be? What would it consists of? Oh, what would it be? Cold? I don't. How about the London bloke? I don't know why that's come to my head. I'm not out of it. You know, you've gotta go with, you, with with, with your instincts. There I think. I think. I don't think he'd go for anything sweet. I think he's I think he's uh, maybe, maybe, just a gin and tonic. I can see him being a gin and tonic guy, double gin and tonic, you know. I think he likes he likes the high life. He's a he's an Easyet, he's, you know, he's a pleasure seeker. I think and, yeah, a double gin and tonic. or or yeah, maybe something with vermouse. I think vermouse, vermouse m yeah, yeah, you know what I mean, themouth, Vermouth, vodka and GIN. Maybe maybe this is this is just my own preference here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, very, very, very sophisticated. Maybe. I mean it has to be served in like some kind of historic cup, like some kind of Antique Cup. It has to be served in like a cool I don't know what that would be, a goblet or something. Goblet sounds right. Yeah, be served in a goblet. Yeah, yeah, Shin Daos from southebys exactly. Yeah, yeah, not all bars can. Can complete, you know, with with that difficult to think to. Yeah, still, yeah, which makes the drink rare. It makes the drink rare and hard to find. That's kind of perfect. That's perfect for Fred, you know, rare and hard to find, and when you do it's perfect. Well, AL, thank you so much for coming on the show. It's been such a pleasure to come have you enjoin our already amazing season and to be animals, you know, first ever love interest will be something that our fans will always remember. Your performance is brilliant. You're amazing actor. We're so lucky to have you and to come play with us in Toronto, and we usually just tell everyone at home who's been such a fan of the show and been watching the show since season one. Um, maybe you already mentioned this earlier because you are a fan of the show, but anything in the last to the fans are just the experience of being...

...on the show itself that you want to share it before we close off. Oh Wow. Well, thank you so much. Of you that. That that that's the kindest words. Thank you, and it was such a joy and pleasure to be on the show. Um, yeah, I mean I'm into the fans. I mean, yeah, all I can say it is just like it's. It's the most extraordinary show to be a part of and I just really hope you enjoy, enjoy the episode. You know, it's it's been an incredible series and uh, yeah, enjoy. I love it. And I mean, like we've always proven in the show, no one ever leaves forever, so anything is possible and who knows? So the possibilities are always there. So, and there are two of me kicking around as well, so there's double the chances, I guess. So, in a weird way. There's a world where that could happen. Um, again, you so much. We love having you. We can wait to helpefully see you again. Cheers. Thank you so much and we'll see you next time. See if I buy behind the shadows as a production of Straw hut media, hosted by Harvey Gean, produced by Ryan Tillotson, Amda Sanchez and Tyler Nielsen, original music by Trevor Bumgar and Chris Hendricks, vocals by Maggie Glass. If you don't already subscribe wherever you're listening and make sure to follow behind the shadows podcast on instagram for more behind the scenes content and tune in live every Thursday at one pm Pacific on the what we do in the shadows subreddit for an a m a with Harvey and special guests. Were even it's sowhelming hot bizar has to tell me why would anyone want to be live deaf mad hair reputation before she arrived, but trust me, we have way more fun in the floe. We have way more fun. You next week. Yeah,.

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